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From "Roy T. Fielding" <field...@gbiv.com>
Subject Re: Flume Graduation (was Re: June reports in two weeks)
Date Sun, 27 May 2012 08:35:52 GMT
There is no diversity requirement for graduating from the incubator. In many ways, incubation
hinders community growth. The requirement is that the project makes decisions as an Apache
project, not in private, which is harder to get used to doing if a lot of people share the
same office. 

Diversity is only a warning sign that means we need to check for decisions made in our forums
and advise accordingly. It is not an end in itself, nor has lack of diversity hindered other
projects from continuing on to build a larger community as a TLP.

....Roy


On May 26, 2012, at 11:44 PM, Ralph Goers <ralph.goers@dslextreme.com> wrote:

> 
> On May 26, 2012, at 9:29 PM, Arvind Prabhakar wrote:
> 
>> Hi Jukka,
>> 
>> On Sat, May 26, 2012 at 4:43 PM, Jukka Zitting <jukka.zitting@gmail.com>wrote:
>>> 
>>> IIUC Flume operates under an RTC model where people are not supposed
>>> to commit their own changes, which obviously makes the above data less
>>> relevant for evaluating the true diversity of the community. However,
>>> seeing only a single trivial commit by both jarcec and juhanic even
>>> though they became committers already over three months ago does seem
>>> to suggest that they may not be as comfortable in their committer role
>>> as people from Cloudera are.
>>> 
>> 
>> As you noted in your comments above - the Flume project tends to follow RTC
>> with the reviewer committing the code. I happen to have taken up the role
>> of the reviewer for the most part and hence you see the skewed commit
>> counts. If you want to see the actual contribution, I would suggest looking
>> at fixed JIRA issues by assignees. A quick report yields the following:
>> 
>>   aprabhkar - 26 - Cloudera [6]
>>   brocknoland - 19 - Cloudera [7]
>>   esammer - 56 - Cloudera [8]
>>   hshreedharan - 34 - Cloudera [9]
>>   jarcec - 6 - AVG Technologies [10]
>>   jmhsieh - 8 - Cloudera [11]
>>   juhanic - 9 - CyberAgent [12]
>>   mpercy - 34 - Cloudera [13]
>>   mlai@apache.org - 1 - Trend Micro [14]
>>   prasadm - 34 - Cloudera [15]
>>   tom@cloudera.com - 3 - Cloudera [16]
>>   will@cloudera.com - 3 - Cloudera [17]
>> 
>> Looking at this, the average number of issues resolved by Cloudera
>> committers (not counting Tom who is a mentor) is 26, and that for
>> non-Cloudera committers is 5. Note that this number does not include other
>> committer work such as the number of code reviews they have done, the
>> number of design discussions they have participated in, something that is
>> very valuable to the project.
> 
> Another way of  looking at these same statistics:
> Cloudera - 217
> Other - 16
> 
> That means Cloudera is responsible for over 93% of the Jira issues.  It is great that
Cloudera is doing so much work but those stats hardly prove diversity.
> 
> 
> Ralph
> 
> 
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