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Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 17:45:03 -0400
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Subject: Re: Question about downloading binaries
From: Karl Wright <daddywri@gmail.com>
To: Benson Margulies <bimargulies@gmail.com>
Cc: sebb <sebbaz@gmail.com>, Jukka Zitting <jukka.zitting@gmail.com>,
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I think the bigger picture here is that resolving differences of this
kind requires time, and during the interim we need to be able to
release software anyway.  I have no wish to maintain a forked copy of
either xerces or httpclient indefinitely, but right at the moment we
are not prepared or able to use the released versions of these
libraries.  I hope that we can all agree that pragmatism has a value;
we're certainly not trying to step on people's toes, we're simply
trying to solve a problem.

Thanks,
Karl


On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 5:28 PM, Karl Wright <daddywri@gmail.com> wrote:
> "what's the use-case for non-well-formed
> XML?' This thread is probably not the best place to delve further in
> that direction."
>
> Simple use case: parsing malformed RSS feeds. =A0I agree, though, we're
> getting into the weeds here; I'd love to have this discussion
> elsewhere, but the point does stand that none of these patch decisions
> was done lightly. =A0Hopefully the community can accept that.
>
> Karl
>
> On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 4:54 PM, Benson Margulies <bimargulies@gmail.com> =
wrote:
>> Karl,
>>
>> I'm exceedingly sorry here that the IPMC as a whole let you down by
>> not turning into these issues and dealing with them at the outset.
>> There's been a lot of sensitivity expressed lately to Apache projects
>> stepping on each other's toes.
>>
>> Personally, I have no objection to including mutant jars in a -deps
>> binary with a clear explanation of what they are, but I would like to
>> see some support for that view, because I'd could imagine some
>> objections based on recent email.
>>
>> In the longer term, if ManifoldCF really wants to include an "XML
>> parser with a difference", then it's certainly possible for you to
>> maintain and release a fork of Xerces under your own package names. I
>> agree with Sebb that you would be well advised to find some other way
>> around it. My personal reaction, in complete isolation from the
>> problem at hand, was 'really? what's the use-case for non-well-formed
>> XML?' This thread is probably not the best place to delve further in
>> that direction.
>>
>> --benson

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