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[75.36.219.62]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id a9sm16693882pbo.48.2012.04.09.20.44.26 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 09 Apr 2012 20:44:28 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) Subject: Re: [VOTE] CloudStack for Apache Incubator From: Raymond Feng In-Reply-To: <61AE1E2837A06D4A8E98B796183842D401044232EA22@SJCPMAILBOX01.citrite.net> Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 20:44:24 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <38757346-258C-4358-B858-C7BB7BFBC75C@gmail.com> References: <61AE1E2837A06D4A8E98B796183842D401044232EA22@SJCPMAILBOX01.citrite.net> To: general@incubator.apache.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org +1 (binding). Thanks, Raymond On Apr 9, 2012, at 6:32 PM, Kevin Kluge wrote: > Hi All. I'd like to call for a VOTE for CloudStack to enter the = Incubator. The proposal is available at [1] and I have also included it = below. Please vote with: > +1: accept CloudStack into Incubator > +0: don't care > -1: do not accept CloudStack into Incubator (please explain the = objection) >=20 > The vote is open for at least 72 hours from now (until at least 19:00 = US-PST on April 12, 2012). >=20 > Thanks for the consideration. >=20 > -kevin >=20 > [1] http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/CloudStackProposal >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Abstract >=20 > CloudStack is an IaaS ("Infrastracture as a Service") cloud = orchestration platform. >=20 > Proposal >=20 > CloudStack provides control plane software that can be used to create = an IaaS cloud. It includes an HTTP-based API for user and administrator = functions and a web UI for user and administrator access. Administrators = can provision physical infrastructure (e.g., servers, network elements, = storage) into an instance of CloudStack, while end users can use the = CloudStack self-service API and UI for the provisioning and management = of virtual machines, virtual disks, and virtual networks. >=20 > Citrix Systems, Inc. submits this proposal to donate the CloudStack = source code, documentation, websites, and trademarks to the Apache = Software Foundation ("ASF"). >=20 > Background >=20 > Amazon and other cloud pioneers invented IaaS clouds. Typically these = clouds provide virtual machines to end users. CloudStack additionally = provides baremetal OS installation to end users via a self-service = interface. The management of physical resources to provide the larger = goal of cloud service delivery is known as "orchestration". IaaS clouds = are usually described as "elastic" -- an elastic service is one that = allows its user to rapidly scale up or down their need for resources. >=20 > A number of open source projects and companies have been created to = implement IaaS clouds. Cloud.com started CloudStack in 2008 and released = the source under GNU General Public License version 3 ("GPL v3") in = 2010. Citrix acquired Cloud.com, including CloudStack, in 2011. Citrix = re-licensed the CloudStack source under Apache License v2 in April, = 2012. >=20 > Rationale >=20 > IaaS clouds provide the ability to implement datacenter operations in = a programmable fashion. This functionality is tremendously powerful and = benefits the community by providing: >=20 > - More efficient use of datacenter personnel > - More efficient use of datacenter hardware > - Better responsiveness to user requests > - Better uptime/availability through automation >=20 > While there are several open source IaaS efforts today, none are = governed by an independent foundation such as ASF. Vendor influence = and/or proprietary implementations may limit the community's ability to = choose the hardware and software for use in the datacenter. The = community at large will benefit from the ability to enhance the = orchestration layer as needed for particular hardware or software = support, and to implement algorithms and features that may reduce cost = or increase user satisfaction for specific use cases. In this respect = the independent nature of the ASF is key to the long term health and = success of the project. >=20 > Initial Goals >=20 > The CloudStack project has two initial goals after the proposal is = accepted and the incubation has begun. >=20 > The Cloudstack Project's first goal is to ensure that the CloudStack = source includes only third party code that is licensed under the Apache = License or open source licenses that are approved by the ASF for use in = ASF projects. The CloudStack Project has begun the process of removing = third party code that is not licensed under an ASF approved license. = This is an ongoing process that will continue into the incubation = period. Third party code contributed to CloudStack under the CloudStack = contribution agreement was assigned to Cloud.com in exchange for = distributing CloudStack under GPLv3. The CloudStack project has begun = the process of amending the previous CloudStack contribution agreements = to obtain consent from existing contributors to change the CloudStack = project's license. In the event that an existing contributor does not = consent to this change, the project is prepared to remove that = contributor's code. Additionally, there are binary dependencies on = redistributed libraries that are not provided with an ASF-approved = license. Finally, the CloudStack has source files incorporated from = third parties that were not provided with an ASF-approved license. We = have begun the process of re-writing this software. This is an ongoing = process that will extend into the incubation period. These issues are = discussed in more detail later in the proposal. >=20 > Although CloudStack is open source, many design documents and = discussions that should have been publicly available and accessible were = not publicized. The Project's second goal will be to fix this lack of = transparency by encouraging the initial committers to publicize = technical documentation and discuss technical issues in a public forum. >=20 > Current Status >=20 > Meritocracy >=20 > CloudStack was originally developed by Sheng Liang, Alex Huang, = Chiradeep Vittal, and Will Chan. Since the initial CloudStack version, = approximately 30 others have made contributions to the project. Today, = Sheng and Will are less involved in code development, but others have = stepped in to continue the development of their seminal contributions. >=20 > Most of the current code contributors are paid contributors, employed = by Citrix. Over the past six months CloudStack has received several = contributions from non-Citrix employees for features and bug fixes that = are important to the contributors. We have developed a process for = accepting these contributions that includes validating the execution of = a CLA and incorporating the contribution in the CloudStack in a manner = that reflects the contributor's identity. This process has not followed = the Apache model. >=20 > The CloudStack Project has had an open bug database for two years. = While this database includes ideas for enhancements to CloudStack, the = committers have historically not asked the greater community for pointed = assistance. Going forward the Project will encourage all community = members to become committers and will make clear suggestions for = features and bug fixes that would most benefit the community and = Project. >=20 > Community >=20 > CloudStack has an existing community comprising approximately 8,000 = forum members on cloudstack.org and 28,000 registrations for e-mail = lists and newsletters relating to CloudStack. All forums, developer and = administrator mailing lists, and IRC channels are active. A number of = commercial entities (e.g., RightScale, AppFog, EnStratus) and open = source projects (e.g., jClouds, Chef) have integrated with CloudStack. >=20 > To date, the community comprises users - people that download a = CloudStack binary and install it to implement an IaaS cloud. The project = expects that with independent governance and the openness of the Apache = development model we will significantly increase the amount of developer = participation within the community. >=20 > Core Developers >=20 > CloudStack spans a wide array of technologies: user interface, = virtualization, storage, networking, fault tolerance, database access = and data modeling, and Java, Python, and bash programming. There is = significant diversity of knowledge and experience in this regard. >=20 > Several of the initial committers have experience with other open = source projects. Alex Huang contributed to SCM-bug. Anthony Xu, Edison = Su, Frank Zhang, and Sheng Yang have prior experience with a combination = of Xen and KVM. Chiradeep Vittal has contributed to OpenStack. David = Nalley has been contributing to Fedora for several years. David has also = contributed to Zenoss, Cobbler, GLPI, OCS-NG, OpenGroupware, Ceph, and = Sheepdog. >=20 > CloudStack development to date has largely been done in the U.S. and = India. >=20 > CloudStack has largely been developed by paid contributors. >=20 > Alignment >=20 > CloudStack has significant integration with existing Apache projects, = and there are several exciting opportunities for future cross-project = collaboration. >=20 > The CloudStack Management Server (i.e., the control plane) is deployed = as a web application inside one or more Tomcat instances. >=20 > The Management Server uses Apache Web Services, Apache Commons, Apache = XML RPC, Apache log4j, and Apache HttpComponents httpcore. It is built = with Apache Ant. >=20 > There are strong opportunities for collaboration with other Apache = Projects. Collaboration with Hadoop has at least two exciting aspects: > - CloudStack could provide an object store technology (similar to = Amazon's S3 service) in conjunction with the compute service (similar to = Amazon's EC2 service) that it already offers. HDFS from the Hadoop = project is a promising technology for the implementation of the object = store. > - It would also be possible to have CloudStack provision Hadoop = compute nodes, either through virtualization or directly to baremetal. = With this CloudStack could become an optional or required part of the = infrastructure control plane for Hadoop. >=20 > ZooKeeper might be helpful to implement a distributed cloud control = plane in the future. >=20 > Derby could be used as alternative database; CloudStack currently uses = MySQL. >=20 > ActiveMQ is a good option for some of the communication that occurs in = the orchestration of the cloud. >=20 > It would be natural for Apache libcloud and Apache DeltaCloud to = support the CloudStack API and public clouds that expose it. >=20 > As mentioned earlier the proposers are seeking an independent = foundation to provide governance for the project. ASF has clearly been = successful in providing this, and we believe ASF is the best match for = the future goals of the project. >=20 > Known Risks >=20 > Orphaned products >=20 > Citrix will work with the community to create the most widely deployed = cloud orchestration software. Citrix's internal "plan of record" commits = significant budget to developing the Project through 2014. Investment = past 2014 is unspecified, but likely to continue given known and = predicted revenues from derivative commercial products. >=20 > Citrix is developing a thriving business in conjunction with the prior = and continued success of the community and use of CloudStack. The = project may be orphaned in the condition where the Project has failed to = obtain either non-paid committers or paid committers from other vendors, = and the committers paid by Citrix are re-assigned to another project. >=20 > Inexperience with Open Source >=20 > CloudStack has been open source since May, 2010, with the CloudStack = 2.0 release by Cloud.com. >=20 > =46rom May, 2010 to August, 2011 CloudStack was "open core", wherein = approximately 95% of the code was available with a GPLv3 license and 5% = of the code was proprietary. During this time the bug database was open = and the source code was available. Project direction and technical = discussions occurred in a closed fashion. Few technical documents were = publicly available. >=20 > In August, 2011 CloudStack transitioned to 100% open source. The 5% = proprietary code was released publicly with a GPLv3 license. The bug = database remained open. Project direction and technical discussions = occurred in a closed fashion. Some technical documents were shared = publicly. >=20 > During 2012 the proposers have posted a significant fraction of = technical documents pertaining to the recent CloudStack 3.0 release = publicly. Some technical discussion has occurred in the open. >=20 > In April, 2012 CloudStack was re-licensed under the Apache License v2. >=20 > Several contributors have prior open source experience. This is = discussed in the "Core Developers" section. >=20 > The CloudStack development process must change significantly to = conform to the Apache model. These changes include: carry on all = technical conversations in a public forum, develop all technical = documentation publicly, follow the vote process on contribution = approvals, and promote individuals beyond the initial committers to = committer status, based on merit. >=20 > Homogenous Developers >=20 > The Project has committers in two locations in India, one location in = the UK, and one location in the U.S. The technical knowledge of the = committers is diverse, as evidenced by the wide range of technologies = that converge in CloudStack. The range of professional experience of the = committers is diverse as well, from a few months to 20+ years. >=20 > The initial committers are all associated with the sponsoring entity. = The Project will have to work with the community to diversify in this = area. >=20 > Reliance on Salaried Developers >=20 > The initial committers are all salaried committers. >=20 > The initial committers have worked with great devotion to the project = and have enjoyed its success. We hope this will create an emotional bond = to the project that will last beyond their employment with Citrix = Systems. >=20 > We expect salaried committers from a variety of companies. CloudStack = is an opportunity for many vendors to enable their software and hardware = to participate in the changes brought by the development of an API that = can manage datacenter infrastructure. It is also an opportunity for = datacenter operators to implement features they find helpful and share = them with the community. >=20 > We hope to attract unpaid committers. CloudStack is interesting = technology that solves many challenging problems, and cloud computing is = popular in the industry media now. But, few people will run a CloudStack = deployment for personal use, and this may limit our ability to attract = unpaid committers. We hope that the technical domain is interesting to = new committers that will join us in improving CloudStack. >=20 > Relationships with Other Apache Products >=20 > Please see the Alignment section above. >=20 > Apache Brand Awareness >=20 > We expect that licensing CloudStack under the AL and associating it = with the Apache brand will attract additional contributors and = CloudStack users. However, we have selected the ASF as the best = governance option for the project for the reasons discussed in the = Rationale. Further, we expect to continue development of the CloudStack = under the AL with or without the support of ASF. >=20 > Citrix currently sells a proprietary version of CloudStack released as = "Citrix CloudStack". For the foreseeable future, Citrix expects to = continue to sell orchestration software based on CloudStack. Citrix will = work with the ASF Incubator PMC and within the Podling Branding = guidelines to ensure that a new branding scheme is selected for Citrix's = proprietary version of CloudStack that is consistent with ASF's branding = policies. >=20 > Documentation >=20 > The CloudStack project has publicly available administrator = documentation, source code, forums, and technical specifications. This = documentation is available at the following sites: > - http://cloudstack.org: forums, latest news, downloads, blogs; a good = starting point. > - http://docs.cloudstack.org: installation guide, administration = guide, API documentation, technical specifications > - http://confluence.cloudstack.org: past and future release plans, = additional technical documentation > - http://git.cloud.com: current source. See the 3.0.x and master = branches. >=20 > Initial Source >=20 > The genesis of CloudStack's source is discussed in the "Inexperience = with Open Source" section. >=20 > Citrix Systems currently owns the CloudStack code base. Committers use = the repository at git.cloud.com to access and submit code. This = repository is located in the U.S. >=20 > We propose to donate the basis for the 3.0.x series of CloudStack = releases. This is the current release stream. Prior CloudStack versions = have been kept as GPLv3 and currently receive limited maintenance and no = feature development. The software associated with these prior versions = will not be donated to ASF. Further, many branches exist and we see no = benefit in recreating this historical complexity within ASF = infrastructure. >=20 > Source and Intellectual Property Submission Plan >=20 > Multiple intellectual property assets are associated with the = CloudStack project. First and foremost, the CloudStack source is = protected by copyright. Upon acceptance into the ASF incubation program, = Citrix Systems anticipates licensing the CloudStack source to the ASF. = The licensed code will include all source code from the "master" branch = at git.cloud.com. >=20 > In addition to the source code, Citrix systems owns a number of = trademark and domain name assets that are used by the CloudStack = project. Citrix anticipates donating substantially all of these = trademark and domain name assets upon acceptance into the ASF incubation = program. In particular, Citrix anticipates donating at least the = CloudStack trademark and related domain names. >=20 > CloudStack is protected by a number of pending patent applications = owned by Citrix Systems. Citrix Systems anticipates continuing to = prosecute and maintain these patent applications upon entry into the ASF = incubation program. Citrix Systems is dedicated to protecting the larger = CloudStack community and will continue to obtain patents on CloudStack = technology as a way to protect contributors and members of the = CloudStack community from outside threats. >=20 > Internal Dependencies >=20 > The CloudStack Management Server has some externally developed code = embedded in it. This code has come from a variety of sources and has a = variety of licenses, some of which are not approved by ASF for use in = Apache projects. We have already begun the process of removing and/or = re-implementing code that does not have an approved license. >=20 > [ Please see web page for this content ] >=20 > Contributions made to the CloudStack prior to the switch to AL were = done based on a CLA that did not authorize re-licensing the contribution = to AL. Citrix legal has prepared a new document that requests = contributors to authorize the re-license to AL. We are asking each such = contributor to sign this agreement. We will remove and/or re-implement = the contributions of prior committers that do not sign this agreement. = We do not expect this issue to materially impact the project. >=20 > Citrix legal has also prepared a new CLA for the project that = authorizes AL licensing of contributions. This CLA will be used for = contributions between the switch to AL and an eventual donation of the = source to ASF. >=20 > External Dependencies >=20 > The CloudStack Management Server uses a significant number of = libraries. These libraries are redistributed with CloudStack in binary = form. Some of them have licenses that are not approved by ASF for use in = Apache projects. We will replace them with other libraries with approved = licenses or re-write the functions provided by the libraries. >=20 > We expect that it will take 3 months to remove and/or re-implement the = problematic embedded source and problematic redistributed libraries. >=20 > Binary Dependencies >=20 > [ Please see web page for this content ] >=20 > System Virtual Machines >=20 > The CloudStack uses multiple Debian-based virtual machines to = implement features of the software. The source code that comprises the = Debian-based virtual machines is GPL licensed. >=20 > The CloudStack source code includes (AL) scripts that will download = and build this software. This software is downloaded from repositories = external to git.cloud.com, and will presumably also be external to any = Apache-owned infrastructure. >=20 > The CloudStack will download and deploy virtual machines that are = built with this GPL software. Once deployed, the CloudStack will install = AL-licensed software on to these virtual machines. >=20 > Since this GPL software is not present in the CloudStack repository we = believe these mechanisms will be approved by ASF for use in the Project, = but we have included this explanation for completeness. >=20 > Cryptography >=20 > The CloudStack makes use of encryption functions available via Java = and the underlying OS. We expect that the CloudStack will have to follow = the export control procedures described at = http://www.apache.org/dev/crypto.html. When the CloudStack was = previously registered with BIS the open source version qualified for the = TSU exception. >=20 > The CloudStack uses https to communicate to XenServer and vCenter. ssh = and scp are used between the Management Server and hypervisor hosts as = well. >=20 > The CloudStack stores an MD5 hash of user password data. The = CloudStack uses MySQL encryption to store some data in an encrypted = fashion. >=20 > The CloudStack stores a pair of API public/secret keypairs for users. = This is done using javax.crypto.KeyGenerator with HMAC-SHA-1. >=20 > The CloudStack does not specify key lengths explicitly. It uses SSH, = SCP and lets them negotiate encryption. >=20 > The CloudStack provides a public HTTP-based API to provision and = deprovision VPN users. The CloudStack has internal Java-based = abstractions for managing VPN users. This Java software makes private = API calls to another system, which will then provision the VPN user in = the VPN software on that other system. The actual set up of the VPN = session is done using L2TP/IPSec. >=20 > As mentioned earlier the CloudStack includes software to build and = later deploy Debian-based virtual machines. These VMs are stripped down = versions of Debian that include encryption sufficient for ssh/scp, = https, and IPSec VPN to work. The CloudStack does not include the source = for these VMs. The maximum encrypted throughput of the VPN has not been = determined. >=20 > Required Resources >=20 > Mailing Lists >=20 > We request mailing lists to match the mailing lists currently in use, = plus the recommended private list. These are: >=20 > cloudstack-private: for confidential PPMC discussion > cloudstack-dev: for development discussions > cloudstack-user: for administrator and discussions >=20 > Subversion Directory >=20 > The CloudStack has used git for approximately two years. We understand = that there is a "prototype" git server available. We request an = allocation on this git server. We believe this will be less disruptive = to the committers than a change to SVN. >=20 > We request "/repos/asf/incubator/cloudstack". >=20 > Issue Tracking >=20 > We would like an allocation for Jira. CloudStack uses bugzilla today, = but we have been planning a move to Jira for some time. We request that = the project name be "CloudStack". >=20 > Other Resources >=20 > The CloudStack Project includes several websites. Donation of these = websites was discussed in the IP submission plan. We would like to = engage in discussion on the logistics of this. >=20 > Initial Committers >=20 > In the past few months several new developers have joined the Citrix = CloudStack team. We are recommending that only the developers with = several months of experience with CloudStack join as initial committers. = The Project will then follow the meritocratic process to enable the = newer team members to become committers. We believe this will be a good = exercise for us as we transition to an Apache development model in the = Project. >=20 > The list of initial committers follows. At this time none of the = initial committers has a CLA on file with ASF. >=20 > Abhinandan Prateek, abhinandan.prateek.at.citrix.com > Alena Prokharchyk, alena.prokharchyk.at.citrix.com > Alex Huang,alex.huang.at.citrix.com > Anthony Xu, xuefei.xu.at.citrix.com > Brian Federle, brian.federle.at.citrix.com > Chiradeep Vittal, chiradeep.vittal.at.citrix.com > David Nalley, david.nalley.at.citrix.com > Edison Su, edison.su.at.citrix.com > Frank Zhang, frank.zhang.at.citrix.com > Janardhana Reddy, janardhana.reddy.at.citrix.com > Jessica Tomechak, jessica.tomechak.at.citrix.com > Jessica Wang, jessica.wang.at.citrix.com > Kelven Yang, kelven.yang.at.citrix.com > Kevin Kluge, kevin.kluge.at.citrix.com > Kishan Kavala, kisha.kavala.at.citrix.com > Murali Reddy, murali.reddy.at.citrix.com > Nitin Mehta, nitin.mehta.at.citrix.com > Prachi Damle, prachi.damle.at.citrix.com > Sam Robertson, sam.robertson.at.citrix.com > Sheng Yang, sheng.yang.at.citrix.com > Sonny Chhen, sonny.chhen.at.citrix.com > Will Chan, will.chan.at.citrix.com >=20 > Affiliations >=20 > The initial committers are all affiliated with Citrix Systems. >=20 > Sponsors >=20 > Champion >=20 > Jim Jagielski >=20 > Nominated Mentors >=20 > Jim Jagielski, Daniel Kulp, Alex Karasulu, Olivier Lamy, Brett Porter, = Mohammad Nour, Matt Hogstrom >=20 > Sponsoring Entity >=20 > We request that the Incubator sponsor this effort. >=20 >=20 >=20 > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org >=20 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org