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From Benson Margulies <bimargul...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [VOTE] Graduate JSPWiki from Incubator
Date Mon, 16 Apr 2012 17:33:22 GMT
Graduation is very much *not* about maturity of the code, and very
much about maturity of the community.

2012/4/16 Juan Pablo Santos Rodríguez <juanpablo.santos@gmail.com>:
> Hi Ross,
>
> no worries, community voting is also meant to bring up this kind of
> conversations too. I will try to -briefly- express my opinion.
>
> You are quoting the discussion started at [1], followed up at [2]. I would
> like to highlight Florian's comments on first thread at [3], which
> summarize pretty well the state of the project. We took Roller as an
> example of a succesful Apache project, which is close to what happens to
> JSPWiki: mature project + small numbers of committers, with little time.
>
> So, as a community, we decided to proceed with graduation (thread at [2]).
> In that sense, is not that I have championed anything, just proceeded with
> what we decided previously.
>
> JSPWiki, unlike most Apache projects, is backed by several individuals who
> work on it only on their free time, so the absence of committers is felt
> deeper than in other projects. The first thing we should do after we
> graduate is to somehow ease the initial jump-in into the project. We have
> postponed this step after graduation because we needed to set a line
> somewhere in our long journey through incubation, and we felt that current
> trunk is mature enough to be considered as an Apache TLP ([2] again,
> heavily summarized).
>
>
> kind regards,
> juan pablo
>
> [1]
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-jspwiki-dev/201201.mbox/%3C24918B2E-766A-4F7D-9C8D-F16EA030F392%40ecyrd.com%3E
>
> [2]
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-jspwiki-dev/201201.mbox/%3CCABp47Es8BGj5jcx6ysP7RxFxBw7_zkrHb8Rbz-Fn7noueutA%3DQ%40mail.gmail.com%3E
>
> [3]
> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-jspwiki-dev/201201.mbox/%3Cbdd708d4-057d-4d20-acc2-24cc55cb3782%40vm103%3E
>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 2:42 PM, Ross Gardler <rgardler@opendirective.com>wrote:
>
>> Looking at the community activity this project looks like it lacks the
>> diversity required. For example, on the vote thread on the projects
>> own dev list there were only three +1 votes, one of which came from
>> someone who has only ever posted to the dev list on two other
>> occasions.
>>
>> Furthermore I'm worried that in Janne said:
>>
>> "The point of Apache Incubation is to incubate a community of people who
>> can
>> create good software. So far our community seems to be dwindling more than
>> increasing (and I accept the blame for that - I just haven't had the time
>> nor
>> the interest to put into this project). So I don't think it's wrong to say
>> that
>> our incubation has essentially failed, and that we should consider some
>> other
>> avenue, and go away from messing up the Apache Incubator."
>>
>> and Harry said:
>>
>> "We simply can't get people interested in doing the necessary things, both
>> the tech work and the non-tech work, and I personally do not have that much
>> time for the project either anymore.
>> So moving over to github is fine for me. (what will be the starting point
>> in github BTW, the current trunk, or 2.8.4 ?)"
>>
>> Now we have this proposal to graduate. Juan Pablo didn't like the idea
>> of saying incubation had failed and has championed graduation.
>>
>> Can I ask for someone more aware of JSPWiki activities please provide
>> a summary of why the proposals to declare failure in Jan were rejected
>> and what activities have been undertaken to turn this "failure" to
>> graduation. Please don't feel you need to defend the proposal, I'm
>> just looking for information to support my vote and also to help me
>> think about the discussions a couple of months ago about different
>> styles of incubation activity.
>>
>> Ross
>>
>> On 15 April 2012 23:46, Juan Pablo Santos Rodríguez
>> <juanpablo@apache.org> wrote:
>> > Hello all,
>> >
>> > The Apache JSPWiki project entered Incubator in October of 2007. Since
>> then
>> > we have added two new committers from diverse organizations. The codebase
>> > of our product has been growing slowly but surely, and we think is mature
>> > enough to go through graduation; also, we have made two releases
>> following
>> > the ASF policies and guidelines. Thanks to the mentorship we have
>> received
>> > through this period, we have learnt to self-govern and grow our community
>> > using accepted Apache practices.
>> >
>> > Given these milestones, I feel that JSPWiki is ready to graduate from
>> > Incubator.
>> >
>> > The first step towards graduation is to vote as a community that JSPWiki
>> is
>> > ready to graduate. If the vote is successful, we will draft a board
>> > resolution proposal and call it to vote on the general Incubator list.
>> The
>> > complete graduation process is described [1].
>> >
>> > Please cast your votes:
>> >
>> > [  ]  +1 Graduate JSPWiki from Incubator
>> > [  ]  +0 Indifferent to graduation status of JSPWiki
>> > [  ]  +1 Reject graduation of JSPWiki from Incubator
>> >
>> > This vote will remain open for at least 72 hours from now.
>> >
>> > [1] http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html
>> >
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > juan pablo
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Ross Gardler (@rgardler)
>> Programme Leader (Open Development)
>> OpenDirective http://opendirective.com
>>
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