From general-return-35044-apmail-incubator-general-archive=incubator.apache.org@incubator.apache.org Fri Mar 23 16:40:39 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CED219628 for ; Fri, 23 Mar 2012 16:40:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 68334 invoked by uid 500); 23 Mar 2012 16:40:39 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 68103 invoked by uid 500); 23 Mar 2012 16:40:38 -0000 Mailing-List: contact general-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list general@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 68092 invoked by uid 99); 23 Mar 2012 16:40:38 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (140.211.11.136) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Fri, 23 Mar 2012 16:40:38 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (athena.apache.org: domain of jogischmidt@googlemail.com designates 209.85.214.47 as permitted sender) Received: from [209.85.214.47] (HELO mail-bk0-f47.google.com) (209.85.214.47) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Fri, 23 Mar 2012 16:40:32 +0000 Received: by bkcjg15 with SMTP id jg15so2979179bkc.6 for ; Fri, 23 Mar 2012 09:40:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=sqpVZ+x/l8z+btPLM2U1tgNOSw/zNTjMC4P7NfugkO8=; b=jtnJ8/3jJMOcATqKwjixuJ39VV44KjgGYB3fFbbusCW+ZoqoFsKxT2J0xOgbnGdvzf Z9i9VZ8dFRE2qfJoGPtecIs6km9N2oIVeGSh3t0hFNMi5KL6uU04O4ITpiPcXzfL3VSs bzqy+QrAU5NYshTq4d90o8UJHO1k+B7Izvxc4o91KCmQLat/OE8l51I8xs8lKflT2PgK vjU8C97CwZPcx2Q+MO/j+WaxgN7WAmIFpbRiBdel2kg6U6SjmIA76EObY62JcMfeuJ6H mUBqzytGN87BxmVqf+eESBuG4kJrTt9EHEP6f+Qv+9cs5GOX37dxNbWtyRseKkrPCGoA Z6LA== Received: by 10.204.133.210 with SMTP id g18mr4811791bkt.107.1332520810753; Fri, 23 Mar 2012 09:40:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [9.155.131.20] (deibp9eh1--blueice2n2.emea.ibm.com. [195.212.29.172]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id s16sm17131586bkt.3.2012.03.23.09.40.09 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 23 Mar 2012 09:40:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4F6CA769.3090804@googlemail.com> Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2012 17:40:09 +0100 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?J=FCrgen_Schmidt?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: general@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: AOO LICENSE/NOTICE files References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org On 3/21/12 6:45 AM, Marvin Humphrey wrote: > On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 7:57 PM, Greg Stein wrote: >> On Mar 20, 2012 9:54 PM, "Rob Weir" wrote: > >>> See, for example: >>> http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/incubator/ooo/trunk/main/LICENSE?view=markup >> >> Hunh? The Apache License, section 4(d) states these go into NOTICE. > > First, a general response: > > There has been considerable (interminable?) debate on this list and elsewhere > as to what goes in LICENSE and what goes in NOTICE. Personally, I don't > really care how things get resolved; my main motivation in starting this > thread is that we avoid putting AOO through the wringer that we put Rave, > Kafka, etc. through, because what with all those binaries the cost of rolling > a release candidate for AOO is high. > > So please, everyone... get it all out of your system now, and don't all of a > sudden decide that to -1 an AOO release candidate because in your opinion > something that was supposed to go in NOTICE ended up in LICENSE or vice versa > or whatever. > > Now, to address the specifics: > > Current fashion with regards to NOTICE seems to be that we put stuff there > like the advertising clause of a 4-clause BSD dependency, and that we do *not* > put stuff there like the the copyright notice on 2-clause or 3-clause BSD > or ALv2 unless some copyright holder has decided that they're (ahem) more > special than all our other contributors and demanded specific recognition (via > "copyright relocation") in NOTICE. See LEGAL-62 and LEGAL-59 as apologia, and > the Apache HTTPD LICENSE/NOTICE files as canonical samples. > > IMO, the LICENSE/NOTICE dichotomy debates are sound and fury signifying > little, so long as the following are true: > > * All code, either contributed to the ASF or bundled as a dependency, has > proper provenance documentation. > * All source code is clearly associated with the license the author > contributed it under, typically via licenses or license headers embedded > in individual source files, but sometimes via a local README as might be > appropriate for a commentless format like JSON. > * All primary and dependency code is utilized under licenses compatible > with aggregate distribution under ALv2. > > IANAL, but it seems to me that so long as we get individual source file > license tagging right, whether redundant licensing information ends up in > "LICENSE" or "NOTICE" is unlikely to be a determining factor in whether > somebody launches a lawsuit. > > The AOO folks have got to be as sophisticated as any podling that has come > through the Incubator in recent memory with regards to licensing, and assuming > that we can trust the provenance tracking of Sun/Oracle, I'd say they've got > things covered: > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/IP_Clearance > > It's a complicated project and it's good to provide review, but I'm not > inclined to hassle them much about LICENSE/NOTICE. If anybody else is, let's > do it now, while the cost to the podling is comparatively low. > Thanks for the feedback so far. We are keen to do it correct but it is really not easy and any kind of help is very much appreciated. Thanks Juergen --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org