Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4300496F6 for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2012 15:30:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 63249 invoked by uid 500); 6 Feb 2012 15:30:27 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 62924 invoked by uid 500); 6 Feb 2012 15:30:26 -0000 Mailing-List: contact general-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list general@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 62916 invoked by uid 99); 6 Feb 2012 15:30:26 -0000 Received: from nike.apache.org (HELO nike.apache.org) (192.87.106.230) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Mon, 06 Feb 2012 15:30:26 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (nike.apache.org: domain of rgardler@opendirective.com designates 74.125.82.43 as permitted sender) Received: from [74.125.82.43] (HELO mail-ww0-f43.google.com) (74.125.82.43) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Mon, 06 Feb 2012 15:30:17 +0000 Received: by wgbdr13 with SMTP id dr13so14441234wgb.0 for ; Mon, 06 Feb 2012 07:29:57 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=opendirective.com; s=opendirective; h=mime-version:x-originating-ip:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=/5pRuupxmzNbNRqT03EYIOzL5z0/I5DPGeXEKwS6mNE=; b=EgNhQVUQkXfjm8mCeXn+yNrjfw4tadA9eA5wLX8BXUJz9MixRK+r4+uwzL41cZD1rf 1fYgdBnay1eVlJ/1aNebhPYD4/jflfngQpGiGV+j9HQVg7ZF8Urn9GbdDsdOJePRUvym vw35EYrK2FgkqhiJNJfxJAeyeiNKO/3wJpwq8= Received: by 10.180.83.104 with SMTP id p8mr13803910wiy.4.1328542197293; Mon, 06 Feb 2012 07:29:57 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.180.102.66 with HTTP; Mon, 6 Feb 2012 07:29:17 -0800 (PST) X-Originating-IP: [86.157.136.94] In-Reply-To: References: <2E45169E9A237B4DA78078A68962F9EF1E44A9@IMCMBX01.MITRE.ORG> <4F2FE0D2.50004@douma.nu> <4F2FE990.7040805@douma.nu> From: Ross Gardler Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 15:29:17 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Licence headers in template files To: general@incubator.apache.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQk5DCe6xwljbdn2A33+BBtYW5it9vtA2kuAUdPZR/F4WRbhsNQk6oi7cm7dVgJzSR1tTq4h X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org On 6 February 2012 15:20, sebb wrote: > As I read it, http://www.apache.org/legal/src-headers.html#faq-exceptions > only applies to files with no creative content. > > AFAICT this is not the case here. Can you tell me why you think this is the case? As a reminder, in my original post I said: "There is no significant IP in these templates. they are mostly boilerplates that are intended to be replaced by the end user" Ross > > On 6 February 2012 15:03, Ross Gardler wrote= : >> Perfect - thanks Ate >> >> On 6 February 2012 14:54, Ate Douma wrote: >>> On 02/06/2012 03:30 PM, ant elder wrote: >>>> >>>> On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 2:16 PM, Ate Douma =A0wrote: >>>>> >>>>> On 02/06/2012 02:44 PM, ant elder wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 1:37 PM, Franklin, Matthew B. >>>>>> =A0 =A0wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I am sure you know this (especially since you first pointed me at t= his >>>>>>> page), but the release FAQ [1] makes it sound like you need the hea= der, >>>>>>> if >>>>>>> you assume your templates are source: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 Which Files Must Contain An ASF License Text? >>>>>>> =A0 =A0 =A0 Every source file must contain the appropriate ASF Lice= nse text. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I am no lawyer, so I will defer to someone who has more experience = than >>>>>>> me to help you determine whether your snippets count as source. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I think that is a bug in the Release FAQ. What i've been told in the >>>>>> past but which i can't find links to right now, is that the top leve= l >>>>>> LICENSE file covers everything anyway and the individual license >>>>>> headers aren't strictly necessary especially for source files withou= t >>>>>> significant IP. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Really? That then would be quite some 'bug' IMO. >>>>> I can't recall have heard it said like this before, instead confirmat= ion >>>>> of >>>>> the above rule quite often. Exceptions (no headers) only being allowe= d >>>>> for >>>>> sources without real IP value. >>>>> >>>>> Ate >>>>> >>>>>> IMHO if the headers are problematic for Wookie in >>>>>> those files then it would be ok to just not include the header. >>>>>> >>>>>> =A0 =A0...ant >>>>>> >>>> >>>> I've just asked for clarification about this over at legal - >>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-124 >>>> >>> Seems to me this has been asked and answered before: >>> >>> =A0http://www.apache.org/legal/src-headers.html#faq-exceptions >>> >>> >>> >>>> =A0 =A0...ant >>>> >>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org >>>> >>> >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org >>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Ross Gardler (@rgardler) >> Programme Leader (Open Development) >> OpenDirective http://opendirective.com >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org >> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org > --=20 Ross Gardler (@rgardler) Programme Leader (Open Development) OpenDirective http://opendirective.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org