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Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 10:36:27 +0000
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Subject: Re: Anyone care to talk to ComDev? (was Re: Time to vote the chair?)
From: Ross Gardler <rgardler@opendirective.com>
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Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity.
On Feb 4, 2012 3:41 AM, "Mattmann, Chris A (388J)" <
chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
>
> Hi Ross,
>
> On Feb 3, 2012, at 7:27 PM, Ross Gardler wrote:
>
> > On 4 February 2012 02:01, Mattmann, Chris A (388J)
> > <chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
> > ...
> >
> >>> Sounds like additional documentation for the proposal
> >>>
> >>> Committee:  Previous responsibility   <--->   Revised responsibility
> >>> _________   _______________________           ______________________
> >>>
> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>
> >> Great idea!
> >>
> >> I've added this to the proposal:
> >>
> >> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/IncubatorDeconstructionProposal
> >>
> >> Ross: I think the table shows what I think ComDev should take over.
> >
> > Thanks, that covers the procedural issues.
> >
> > And when things go wrong with the mentoring process who spots this?
>
> The project's PMC. And if not, the project's VP. And if not that, the
board
> during the board report. Just like the current way it works for existing
TLPs.
>
> > Who fixes it?
>
> The project's PMC. And if not, the project's VP. And if not that, the
board,
> or the membership. Just like the current way it works for existing TLPs.

if l the "membership" what is the channel used and who is responsible for
ensuring that channel works?

>
> > Who is maintaining the standards with respect to IP
> > management?
>
> How much work is there maintaing them? What's left to do?

I mean in individual projects, not in defining policy. Even in the poddling
that I've felt would benefit from this proposal the RM has learned by his
mistakes. Some of which were caught by IPMC review when an additional vote
was needed.

Who provides these cross-checks?

You asked if a project couldn't muster the binding votes on a release,
what's it doing on the incubator. This project couldn't, but it is still
graduating. Ironically when I suggested bringing the RM into the IPMC to
help other podlings trying to find votes Bill, who supports this proposal
said yes, but required that the RM must refrain from voting on his own
releases. That position seems to conflict with this proposal and I'm
unclear what the difference is.

>
> Arguably, legal and the Legal Committee have a hand in this, no?
> I'm not sure it was entirely managed by the IPMC before.

Again, I agree the IPMC has not always worked, but it has not always failed
either.

Are legal@ going to do reviews when necessary? If not who is?

>
> Cheers,
> Chris
>
> P.S. Good questions above, I added them (and my suggestions for them)
> to the proposal
http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/IncubatorDeconstructionProposal
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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> Senior Computer Scientist
> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
> Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246
> Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
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> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
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