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Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 08:07:53 +0000
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Subject: Re: PMC chair vs. reorg proposals
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+1 on what Jukka said.

   ...ant

On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 11:13 AM, Martin van den Bemt <mllist@mvdb.net> wrote:
> +1
>
> Mvgr,
> Martin
>
> 2012/2/5 Jukka Zitting <jukka.zitting@gmail.com>:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I find it unfortunate that the PMC chair nominations got turned into a
>> debate about the future of the Incubator, especially when the original
>> reason to consider a new chair were fairly minor issues in timely
>> handling of PMC mechanics. As a fellow PMC chair I think it's
>> troublesome that people seem to expect that a VP title is needed to
>> push forward major changes; it's not. In my opinion the primary role
>> of the PMC chair in discussions like these is to make sure that all
>> opinions are heard and to help reach consensus where none exists.
>> Often the best way to do that is to step back and let the discussion
>> flow before taking a stand.
>>
>> Thus, since Noel is willing to continue as the chairman, I propose
>> that he should do so, possibly with Benson and/or others as delegates
>> to help deal with the volume of day-to-day issues.
>>
>> Meanwhile others who wish to drive the incubation process to new
>> directions, be it inside the Incubator or not, can and should continue
>> to do so. AFAICT none of these proposals require the added authority
>> of a VP title.
>>
>> BR,
>>
>> Jukka Zitting
>>
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