Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9F4AE9A13 for ; Wed, 29 Feb 2012 09:33:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 89913 invoked by uid 500); 29 Feb 2012 09:33:36 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 89727 invoked by uid 500); 29 Feb 2012 09:33:35 -0000 Mailing-List: contact general-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list general@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 89719 invoked by uid 99); 29 Feb 2012 09:33:35 -0000 Received: from nike.apache.org (HELO nike.apache.org) (192.87.106.230) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 29 Feb 2012 09:33:35 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (nike.apache.org: domain of akarasulu@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.175 as permitted sender) Received: from [209.85.212.175] (HELO mail-wi0-f175.google.com) (209.85.212.175) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 29 Feb 2012 09:33:27 +0000 Received: by wibhq12 with SMTP id hq12so1560284wib.6 for ; Wed, 29 Feb 2012 01:33:07 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of akarasulu@gmail.com designates 10.180.99.100 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.180.99.100; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of akarasulu@gmail.com designates 10.180.99.100 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=akarasulu@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=akarasulu@gmail.com Received: from mr.google.com ([10.180.99.100]) by 10.180.99.100 with SMTP id ep4mr46729205wib.7.1330507987786 (num_hops = 1); Wed, 29 Feb 2012 01:33:07 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=rYypILZ1vRZpPrL9/a16RG7TY7u0nADccUu3qpXWDgQ=; b=VYaPeDtJN7Q1Qy+XFJHFFwZDWKP0wh4qpdVhwcve4v6J61gBXgvjcJj03Yg9gsKzXn hRVxsFhhrFmskjGYsNdWf+A1Q64xC1m7z1fEYmrq63DXUqYBzuzIgumi7WIdGsS/3vX0 FMrggPKCSmEaL6DiRKY9iy7zj5hPRxVE2aPLo= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.180.99.100 with SMTP id ep4mr37132771wib.7.1330507987623; Wed, 29 Feb 2012 01:33:07 -0800 (PST) Sender: akarasulu@gmail.com Received: by 10.180.89.104 with HTTP; Wed, 29 Feb 2012 01:33:07 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <45295904-5BF7-40D6-8BDE-43747F2D0ADE@hortonwork.com> <20120228085246.GM3186@garfield> <5D17C384-750B-4083-879A-A2B78474279F@toolazydogs.com> <5F56332D-06EB-4885-B219-10D579328648@toolazydogs.com> Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 11:33:07 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: CvVZt-g_f7xXlD_GpINLjGzEh_Y Message-ID: Subject: Re: [VOTE] Graduate Sqoop podling from Apache Incubator From: Alex Karasulu To: general@incubator.apache.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d04428e5cf91e4a04ba17071d X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org --f46d04428e5cf91e4a04ba17071d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 2:40 AM, Patrick Hunt wrote: > On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 4:02 PM, Mohammad Nour El-Din > wrote: > > On the other hand, I totally respect that Cloudera's interest to support > > their customers and provide backword compatibility, but this is *not* the > > point at all, the point is this *should* not, and even allow me to say > this > > is *must* not be the problem of Apache, and yes I agree with the opinion > > that this is a matter to be decided by Sqoop team but not to make > Apache's > > problem. So also let not get more into this!!! > > Or course this is Apache's problem. You can't have your cake and eat > it too. If you accept code for a project you accept the community as > well. Say Apache accepts a project like Open Office, should we ignore > the existing community and not concern ourselves with backward > compatibility for that project as well, because the original code > wasn't birthed at Apache? > That's a very slippery slope. Maybe some projects get way too much leeway because of the big flashing lights. Regardless of how big the press headlines are all projects should be held to the same standard. No project should be allowed to graduate without solving all issues pertaining to marks. It's a failure of the incubator in the past for allowing other projects to do so. I'm shocked it was allowed. -- Best Regards, -- Alex --f46d04428e5cf91e4a04ba17071d--