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From: "Mattmann, Chris A (388J)" <chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov>
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Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 15:14:59 -0800
Subject: Re: Incubator, or "Incubation"?
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Hey Benson,

On Feb 1, 2012, at 2:52 PM, Benson Margulies wrote:

> At the risk of seeming trite, +1, but ...
>=20
> This lengthy proposal shifts the supervision responsibility of
> podlings from an big IPMC to a set of mentors approved by the board at
> the advice of a small iPMC.

Yea Bill's amendments keeping the VP Incubator and the small IPMC
do, but I'd say, those aren't necessary, we don't need them. Looks like
Bill and I pretty much agree on everything else, and reading ahead below,
so do you for the most part?


> In other words, a project is born when
> three? foundation members, or others deemed appropriate by the small
> iPMC,

s/small IPMC/membership of the foundation/

> are constituted as a project by the board, with one (the
> recently invented champion) as the chair.

+1

>=20
> It seems to me that this ups the ante quite a bit on the accidental
> argument I started about mentor qualifications. The board absolutely
> does not want to have to provide direct supervision all the podlings:

It certainly makes your proposal about mentor qualifications important,=20
yes. But I wouldn't say that the 2nd part naturally follows. Why wouldn't
the board want to supervise podlings? IOW, what's the difference between
~100 Apache projects, versus ~150? We're going to grow to 150 some-day
anyways and I bet we'll still have a board of 9 directors.

> that's what the Board's formal feedback to the IPMC just now is about.
> So, under this scheme, the particular mentors that make up the initial
> PMC of a project are the ones the Board is trusting, and if any step
> down, they absolutely need to be replaced.

Yep that's true, Benson.

>=20
> I support proposing this structure to the Board, but I wouldn't be
> terribly surprised if the answer is 'no'.

We'll see, I've learned not to make predictions *grin*

Cheers,
Chris

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