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Subject: Re: Evolution instead of a revolution (Was: Time to vote the chair?)
From: Ralph Goers <ralph.goers@dslextreme.com>
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On Feb 3, 2012, at 6:28 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote:

> On Feb 3, 2012, at 6:11 PM, Ralph Goers wrote:
>=20
>>=20
>> Your statement above could just as easily be applied to having each =
podling be a subproject of the IPMC (as it is today), but be given the =
authority and responsibility they are missing today. You don't need to =
blow away the IPMC to fix this problem.
>=20
> So, let me get this straight.
>=20
> "Make incoming projects have the authority and responsibility that =
they are missing today?"
>=20
> Sounds a ton like my existing proposal. With some kitchen sink (the =
IPMC) added in.
>=20
> If incoming projects have the authority and responsibility that they =
lack have today, there is=20
> no IPMC.

Why?  The IPMC's role never should have been about approving membership =
or releases in the podling. It should be about making sure they are =
getting sufficient help from the ASF in the form of mentors, legal =
advice, best practices, community building, etc. Yes, every project =
needs that but not to the degree a project new to the ASF does. If the =
mentors go missing or have a situation change where they need to bow out =
then having an IPMC there to help find new mentors is a much better =
situation then them simply reporting they are short on mentors to the =
board.

The basic difference here between what you have suggested and what I'm =
saying is that the VP, Incubator is not an individual trying to do that =
but a team.  It also means that podlings are still not quite =
full-fledged TLPs but darn close in that the IPMC still may want reports =
solely so they can determine if any assistance is needed.

Ralph


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