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From: "Mattmann, Chris A (388J)" <chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov>
To: "general@incubator.apache.org" <general@incubator.apache.org>,
        Joe
 Schaefer <joe_schaefer@yahoo.com>
CC: "William A. Rowe Jr." <wrowe@rowe-clan.net>
Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 15:03:35 -0800
Subject: Re: Incubator, or "Incubation"?
Thread-Topic: Incubator, or "Incubation"?
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Hi Joe,

On Feb 2, 2012, at 2:37 PM, Joe Schaefer wrote:

> My overall thoughts on this subject is that it is
> interesting to see Bill participating in a discussion
> that more or less amounts to knocking down the cathedral
> we've erected here and replacing it with a bazaar.
> Personally I'm not willing to walk with you guys
> down that route just yet, but the thinking behind
> the "experiment" I've been talking about was to
> just tweakthe cathedral with a hybrid "outdoor market"
> model.

Thanks yep that's basically it. I have found your experiment
successful; need no more data points; have found the
Incubator itself over its lifespan to have been successful,=20
and am looking to focus scarce Apache attention and=20
resources towards the future, celebrating with respect
towards the past, but also recognizing where we need
to go as a foundation.

We don't need to ope any more outdoor markets; we already
have a successful bazaar in front of us!

Cheers,
Chris

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>> ________________________________
>> From: "Mattmann, Chris A (388J)" <chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov>
>> To: William A. Rowe Jr. <wrowe@rowe-clan.net>=20
>> Cc: "general@incubator.apache.org" <general@incubator.apache.org>=20
>> Sent: Thursday, February 2, 2012 2:08 PM
>> Subject: Re: Incubator, or "Incubation"?
>>=20
>> Hey Bill,
>>=20
>> On Feb 2, 2012, at 10:54 AM, William A. Rowe Jr. wrote:
>>=20
>>> On 2/2/2012 12:49 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote:
>>>>=20
>>>> OK. If that VP isn't a flow-through and isn't visible when things are =
working
>>>> optimally, then why have him/her?
>>>=20
>>> Because when the process needs revision, and it will, the board doesn't=
 want to
>>> revise it.  ComDev shouldn't have to revise it.  The board wants to poi=
nt to one
>>> individual and say 'this part is broke, fix it', and have it done.
>>=20
>>=20
>> Interesting. I hadn't thought of that -- you see the process as (inevita=
bly) evolving.=20
>> I see it as basically done, with so little revision it hardly warrants t=
he creation of=20
>> an officer to oversee it.=20
>>=20
>> Cheers,
>> Chris
>>=20
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>> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
>> Senior Computer Scientist
>> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
>> Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246
>> Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
>> WWW:   http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
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>> Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department
>> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
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Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
Senior Computer Scientist
NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246
Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
WWW:   http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
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Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department
University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
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