Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id AB2E5953A for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2012 20:14:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 64691 invoked by uid 500); 1 Feb 2012 20:14:32 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 64522 invoked by uid 500); 1 Feb 2012 20:14:31 -0000 Mailing-List: contact general-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list general@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 64514 invoked by uid 99); 1 Feb 2012 20:14:31 -0000 Received: from nike.apache.org (HELO nike.apache.org) (192.87.106.230) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 01 Feb 2012 20:14:31 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (nike.apache.org: local policy) Received: from [68.116.39.62] (HELO rectangular.com) (68.116.39.62) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 01 Feb 2012 20:14:24 +0000 Received: from marvin by rectangular.com with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RsgOU-0005Fx-7A; Wed, 01 Feb 2012 12:03:02 -0800 Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2012 12:03:02 -0800 From: Marvin Humphrey To: general@incubator.apache.org, Joe Schaefer Subject: Re: Fwd: mentoring individuals as well as projects Message-ID: <20120201200302.GA20180@rectangular.com> References: <20120201155447.GA19369@rectangular.com> <1328117543.97660.YahooMailNeo@web160906.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1328117543.97660.YahooMailNeo@web160906.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org On Wed, Feb 01, 2012 at 09:32:23AM -0800, Joe Schaefer wrote: > I believe this is what Marvin is alluding to when he points out that > compentent IPMC oversight is little more than an illusive myth on most > of our podlings. A PPMC member, by virtue of their deep familiarity with the code base and close monitoring of ongoing development, is, once they have internalized ASF values and studied relevant legal issues, in a *better* position to review a release and protect their project's integrity than any Mentor. > We rely on the committers to police themselves and we trust that they do, > but we do not, as a group, empower such people to perform that work on > behalf of the IPMC. Giving suitably diligent podling contributors real oversight responsibility and accountability while they are still in the Incubator, allowing them to serve alongside experienced Mentors, watch them, ask them questions and participate in their struggle... that's what, in my opinion, will prepare them to become superior stewards of their projects after graduation. Marvin Humphrey --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org