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From: "Mattmann, Chris A (388J)" <chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov>
To: "general@incubator.apache.org" <general@incubator.apache.org>
Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 18:05:40 -0800
Subject: Re: Evolution instead of a revolution (Was: Time to vote the chair?)
Thread-Topic: Evolution instead of a revolution (Was: Time to vote the
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On Feb 3, 2012, at 5:40 PM, Ralph Goers wrote:
> [...snip...]
>>=20
>> My interest goes beyond any of those topics, though.  Incubator is very
>> tedious.  Very little is resolved.  Deck chairs are shuffled.  But at
>> the end of the day, projects don't have ownership of their code, many
>> micro-managers do, we aren't necessarily creating better projects than
>> Chris's proposed structure, and the entire process and participation is
>> simply not enjoyable (except to the sadists or masochists).
>=20
> As Ross said, while the proposal gets rid of the tediousness it also remo=
ves much of the oversight and practically all of the help and support. =20

Umm, no it doesn't.

It makes formal what is currently happening and what should be happening in=
 successful projects (and podlings).=20
The help and support is there. There is a sh*t ton of Incubator docs; almos=
t a page for every possible thing
you could think of. Ask the current set of RMs on the podlings how easy it =
is to navigate?=20

And beyond the docs, the safety net is there. You're ignoring that there is=
 a VP for each project, responsible to the board,=20
and there is a PMC for each project that should consist of people that get =
along and care. And my proposal says 3 of=20
them should be ASF members.

If in that sea of membership above for an incoming project, we can't mentor=
, train, or muster 3 VOTEs, why the hell is
the project here at the ASF?

Cheers,
Chris

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Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
Senior Computer Scientist
NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246
Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
WWW:   http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
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Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department
University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
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