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From Dave Fisher <dave2w...@comcast.net>
Subject Re: TL;DR
Date Sat, 04 Feb 2012 22:02:42 GMT

On Feb 4, 2012, at 12:15 PM, William A. Rowe Jr. wrote:

> On 2/4/2012 12:45 PM, Dave Fisher wrote:
>> 
>> If it is different from Chris's then I think Bill should write his proposal.
> 
> Dave, mine is not difference in process, substance or requirements.

Do you advocate the 3 Apache Members per Project rule? I think that is a significant difference
and I really wonder where Chris came up with that value.

I reviewed this page: http://people.apache.org/committers-by-project.html

I counted the number of members by incubating project and also TLP / PMCs. Data below.

For incubating projects I see from 0 - 14 members. At a glance 3 or 4 is a median value. I
know that not all Mentors choose to be on the PPMC. Is there data on Mentors per project?

For TLPs I see from 0 - 48 members on PMCs. Many have less than 3. Under Chris's plan many
TLPs would not qualify for incubation.

I also thought that you were advocating that an iPMC remain to take a role in parallel to
comdev, legal, trademarks, pr, and infrastructure without a time limit, but there have been
so many emails that it is hard to grasp if you've changed your position.

> 
> Chris and 7 board members are now familiar with the delta, which is
> really not up for incubator to choose.  The question is simply whether
> the board will oversee the process, documented by ComDev, with a third
> driver in the incubating project entry/exit process (a VP in addition
> to the Chairman and Mentors), or not.

I did not realize until I did my review that I am one of three exceptions to the IPMC is a
Member rule.

> 
> Because that VP is simply a board-delta, it's going to be up to the
> board, if the new schema is adopted, whether they want that additional
> driver to take some load off of their collective plate.  I assume they
> will, Chris assumes they won't, and the board, not this committee, is
> going to be the one to decide that.

OK.

Regards,
Dave

Attaching my data which may be inaccurate.

Members on Incubating projects:

incubator-pmc - all but 3.

accumulo - 0
airavata - 2
ambari - 4
amber - 9
any23 - 5
bigtop - 6
bloodhound - 3
bval - 11
celix - 3
chukwa - 4
clerazza - 6
deft - 0
directmemory - 8
droids - 4
easyant - 4
etch - 0
flex - 2
flume - 4
giraph - 1
hama - 2
hcatalog - 3
hise - 3
isis - 7
jena - 5
jspwiki - 5
juice - 2
kafka - 3
kato - 3
kitty - 4
mesos - 3
mrunit - 3
npanday - 4
nuvem - 9
ognl - 4
ooo - 6
oozie - 0
openmeetings - 3
opennlp - 2
photark - 5
rat - 14
rave - 4
s4 - 3
sis - 6
socialsite - 2
sqoop - 4
stanbol - 6
tashi - 3
vcl - 3
vxquery - 3
wave - 6
wink - 4
wookie - 3
yoko - 10
zetacomponents - 3

TLPs (not all are marked -PMC so some are missing.)

adbera - 3
activemq - 9
ant - 9
apr - 35
archiva - 6
aries - 16
avro - 1
axis - 19
buildr - 3
camel - 8
cayenne - 3
chemistry - 4
cocoon - 12
commons - 27
continuum - 5
couchdb - 3
cxf - 7
db - 13
directory - 7
empire - 3
esme - 2
felix - 11
forrest - 6
geronimo - 18
gora - 5
gump - 10
hadoop - 9
hbase - 2
hive - 0
httpcomponents - 6
httpd - 48
jackrabbit - 10
james - 4
jmeter - 5
juddi - 1
karaf - 7
lenya - 8
libcloud - 1
logging - 8
lucene - 10
mahout - 4
maven - 15
mina - 6
myfaces - 9
nutch - 4
ode - 6
oodt - 7
openejb - 6
openjpa - 2
openwebbeans - 5
pdfbox - 3
pig - 1
pivot - 3
poi - 4
portals - 7
qpid - 4
river - 1
roller - 2
santuario - 2
servicemix - 11
shindig - 3
shiro - 1
sling - 6
spamassassin - 4
struts - 5
subversion - 25
synapse - 8
tapestry - 2
tcl - 4
thrift - 2
tika - 6
tiles - 4
tomcat - 13
turbine - 4
tuscany - 9
uima - 4
velocity - 5
whirr - 3
wicket - 5
ws - 18
xalan - 7
xerxes - 5
xml - 13
xmlbeans - 4
xmlgraphics - 2
zookeeper - 2




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