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From "Mattmann, Chris A (388J)" <chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov>
Subject Re: Nomination of Chris Mattman for the IPMC Chair (was: Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)
Date Fri, 03 Feb 2012 16:39:04 GMT
Hi Sam,

On Feb 3, 2012, at 5:50 AM, Sam Ruby wrote:

> On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 4:44 AM, Greg Stein <gstein@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 00:58, Mattmann, Chris A (388J)
>> <chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
>>> ...
>>> And to be honest, even if you (Bill) or the board folks think
>>> that there should be an Incubation VP, are you willing to at least
>>> try it my way, and then if all hell breaks loose, simply add the role
>>> in 6 months (or sooner, if required?) IOW, we accept my proposal asi-is.
>>> Then in 6 months, we'll see how it's working out, and I'll tell you what,
>>> if we need an Incubation VP then, I'll be all for it, and even willing to sign
>>> up for it.
>> 
>> With my Director hat on, I would vote to keep the Incubator VP and
>> only eliminate it when it is demonstrated to be of no value. As I
>> mentioned before, I believe there are aspects to incubation that
>> require a supportive group which cannot simply be shifted to the
>> podling-TLP or the Board. The Board has enough to do without trying to
>> *also* verify release processes, check on podling branding and press,
>> etc.
> 
> With my Director's hat on, I certainly wouldn't dismiss the proposal
> out of hand.

Thanks for that.

> 
> As Bill pointed out previously, the amount of lines in the monthly
> board agendas won't materially change.  

+1.

> What I care most about is
> addressed by this proposal: that there be an identified person to
> which feedback can be directed for each report.

Sure, I get that now. I'm +1 to be that person, so long as I make it 
clear that I'm not intending to be the person for long, and my goal
is:

1. Implement: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/IncubatorDeconstructionProposal
2. Report to the board on its status every month.
3. Start graduating podlings into TLP (spin them out)
4. Any new projects that come along and propose over the next 6 months
should be subject to my proposal in 1.
5. By June 2012 or by July 2012, there is no more Incubator, no IPMC, 
and no Incubator VP role. 

"Yes, Incubation, No, Incubator" :-)

> 
> Podlings typically have multiple ASF members assigned to them (three
> is not an atypical number).  I believe that the responsibility for
> verifying release processes, check on podling branding and press is
> already assigned to these members.

+1, yes.

>  If a podling (with the support of
> the mentors) votes to assign a non ASF-member as the chair, I am OK
> with that too as long as there are still plenty enough people
> monitoring the development of the podling.

Me too.

> 
> I'll name three concerns / items to be addressed:
> 
> First, having the board vote on the creation of each podling is a bit
> too heavy weight.  I for one would prefer that that continue to be
> delegated.

How about to the membership of the ASF? Take it to members@?

> 
> Second, the board is not the appropriate vehicle for fine tuning /
> micro-managing individual projects, much less podlings.  A podling
> that consistently fails to report or fails to address issues
> identified by the board should expect one or more of: a new chair,
> people added or removed from the committee, of for the committee to be
> dissolved entirely.  Having a supportive resource (whether that
> resource goes by the name of 'incubator' or 'comdev', I care not)
> remains important.

Yes, totally, I agree with that too. In fact, I'll admit that your recent
prodding of better IPMC reports helped me crystalize that notion.

> 
> Third, we started to move towards a point where having commit access
> to a podling means commit access to all the incubator.  The proposal
> will need to cover how that is either going to change or how that
> would be expected to work.

To me, it can remain the interim over the next 6 months, but won't matter
after that, because there will be no more Incubator, and it will be 
an individual project's decision.

Cheers,
Chris

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Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
Senior Computer Scientist
NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246
Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
WWW:   http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
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Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department
University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
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