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From sebb <seb...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: migrating the main site to the CMS- a simple approach
Date Wed, 15 Feb 2012 00:59:27 GMT
On 14 February 2012 22:47, Joe Schaefer <joe_schaefer@yahoo.com> wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
>
>> From: Joe Schaefer <joe_schaefer@yahoo.com>
>> To: sebb <sebbaz@gmail.com>; "general@incubator.apache.org" <general@incubator.apache.org>
>> Cc:
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 1:47 PM
>> Subject: Re: migrating the main site to the CMS- a simple approach
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>>>  From: sebb <sebbaz@gmail.com>
>>>  To: general@incubator.apache.org; Joe Schaefer
>> <joe_schaefer@yahoo.com>
>>>  Cc:
>>>  Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 1:36 PM
>>>  Subject: Re: migrating the main site to the CMS- a simple approach
>>>
>>>  On 14 February 2012 18:09, Joe Schaefer <joe_schaefer@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>>>   ----- Original Message -----
>>>>
>>>>>   From: sebb <sebbaz@gmail.com>
>>>>>   To: general@incubator.apache.org; Joe Schaefer
>>>  <joe_schaefer@yahoo.com>
>>>>>   Cc:
>>>>>   Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 1:04 PM
>>>>>   Subject: Re: migrating the main site to the CMS- a simple approach
>>>>>
>>>>>   On 14 February 2012 17:08, Joe Schaefer
>> <joe_schaefer@yahoo.com>
>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>    ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    From: Joe Schaefer <joe_schaefer@yahoo.com>
>>>>>>>    To: "general@incubator.apache.org"
>>>>>   <general@incubator.apache.org>
>>>>>>>    Cc:
>>>>>>>    Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 12:04 PM
>>>>>>>    Subject: Re: migrating the main site to the CMS- a simple
>>
>>>  approach
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>    ________________________________
>>>>>>>>     From: sebb <sebbaz@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>    To: general@incubator.apache.org
>>>>>>>>    Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 11:57 AM
>>>>>>>>    Subject: Re: migrating the main site to the CMS- a
>> simple
>>>  approach
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>    On 14 February 2012 16:21, Joe Schaefer
>>>>>   <joe_schaefer@yahoo.com>
>>>>>>>    wrote:
>>>>>>>>>     So I realize that I don't have enough time
>> myself
>>>>>>>>>     to convert the incubator site's content to
>>>  markdown
>>>>>>>>>     even tho there are scripts to automate that
>> process.
>>>>>>>>>     Instead let me offer a different idea- to keep
>> the
>>>>>>>>>     existing build system but superimpose the CMS
on
>> top
>>>>>>>>>     of it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     To facilitate this, all that needs to happen is
>> for
>>>>>>>>>     someone to find a generic way of invoking anakia
>> so
>>>>>>>>>     it satisfies the command-line interface of
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>   https://svn.apache.org/repos/infra/websites/cms/build/build_external.pl
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>     (ie builds sources from ./content/ into a
>> specified
>>>  target
>>>>>>>>>     dir).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>    That's not actually sufficient to build the main
>>>  Incubator
>>>>>   site,
>>>>>>>>    because it does not take the Clutch updates into
>> account.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>    However, I guess Clutch could be run separately to
>> update
>>>  the
>>>>>   source
>>>>>>>>    files, and then trigger a site rebuild.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    Alternately, if the clutch builds simply modify source
>> content,
>>>>>
>>>>>   Yes, that's all it does.
>>>>>
>>>>>>    that aspect can be performed manually and the build system
>> will
>>>>>>    generate that content from the changes to the source content.
>>>>>>    All someone would have to do in addition to what they already
>>>>>>    already do now is publish the changes to the live site.
>>>>>
>>>>>   However, the site build does a lot more than just run Anakia.
>>>>>
>>>>>   It also runs XSLT and texen; each is run several times with
>> different
>>>  data.
>>>>>   There are some other stages as well.
>>>>>
>>>>>   This is all done by Ant, using the build.xml from the top-level
>>>  directory.
>>>>>
>>>>>   I suspect this is also true of a lot of other sites which use
>> Anakia.
>>>>
>>>>   Well whatever- we can change the build type from anakia to ant.
>> That's
>>>>   no big deal.  All we need at this point for CMS support is:
>>>>
>>>>   1) to change the name of the directory holding the site sources to
>>>  "content",
>>>
>>>  The sources are held under:
>>>  https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/public/trunk/site-author
>>
>> So rename site-author to "content".  That'd be step 1 precisely.
>>
>>>
>>>  However, there are support files in other directories, in particular
>>>  the lib/ directory.
>>
>> That has no material impact on what I'm proposing: just leave those
>> where they are.
>>
>>>
>>>>   2) to figure out what command-line arguments to pass to ant or to
>> build.sh
>>>  or
>>>>   whatever to tell it to build to a specified target directory also
>> named
>>>  "content"
>>>>   but with a different base directory.
>>>
>>>  The output currently goes to
>>>  https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/public/trunk/site-publish.
>>>
>>>  I think most files under site-publish are derived from site-author;
>>>  however there are probably some that are only in site-publish.
>>>  For example, .htaccess seems to be only in site-publish.
>>
>> Well that would need to go into the "content" dir and ant would need
>> to copy it over to the target "content" dir.
>>
>>>
>>>  Probably the first task is to ensure that all site-publish files are
>>>  derivable from site-author.
>>
>> Yes.
>>
>>>
>>>  Can then rename the input directory, and fix up the build file.
>>>
>>>  Changing the output directory would be a bit more involved as it is
>>>  used for the workspace on minotaur.
>>
>> Well can't we make this configurable?  I mean cmon it's 2012, surely
>> we can pass some argument to build.sh that tells it to use a different
>> directory other than site-publish.
>>
>>>  Would it be possible to switch to the eventual svnpubsub target
>>>  without actually switching to CMS yet?
>>>  Could then switch the workspace on minotaur to use the new content
>>>  output directory.
>>>
>>>  Once that's working, then CMS could be plugged in.
>>
>> I've outlined the approach I recommend- to rename the source dir,
>> make everything that's in the output dir come from the build process
>> (not necessarily the source dir), and to make the target dir a command-line
>> option to build.sh / ant / whatever.
>
> I committed build_cms.sh which implements the necessities.  All we
> need to do is ferret thru the build output to ensure everything
> matches up with the source material.  The simplest way to do this
> is to rm -rf the site-publish dir in your local checkout and then
> do an ant build (assuming you have svn 1.7 here) after recreating
> an empty site-publish dir.  Then svn status will tell you which
> files are missing by indicating those lines with an "!" prefix.
> I hope that those missing files can simply be copied back to
> the site-author dir and that a subsequent build will fix the
> "missing" lines in svn status.  I have a hunch this will be a
> nontrivial list given the number of times I've seen people commit
> stuff to the wrong tree, but maybe my pessimism of late is unwarranted
> here.
>
> I don't have a handy way of carrying this out, and while there's no
> particular rush to get this done soon I would appreciate it if someone
> could do the necessary work here.

I've made a start on it, but don't have time to complete it for a few
days, probably Monday at the earliest.

The first thing to do is to decide if the following directory tree can
be junked:

site-publish/projects/altrmi/

I suspect it can, as altrmi has moved elsewhere, but I just want to
check it's not being kept for historical reasons.

The other files currently only in site-publish are:

!           1243649   site-publish\projects\geronimo\status.html
!           1243649   site-publish\projects\geronimo\status.pdf
!           1243649   site-publish\projects\lcf.html
!           1243649   site-publish\projects\geronimo-proposal.html
!           1243649   site-publish\projects\ruper.html

Again I'm not sure if these files are required or can be deleted.

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