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From Jukka Zitting <>
Subject Evolution instead of a revolution (Was: Time to vote the chair?)
Date Fri, 03 Feb 2012 17:27:01 GMT

[Forking a new thread thread to make this easier to track.]

On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 5:22 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J)
<> wrote:

As already mentioned by others, instead of deconstructing everything
in one go, wouldn't it make more sense to gradually shift into a new
way of doing things?

You're proposing that podlings should start as full TLPs (with ASF
members on board for mentoring) right from the beginning. Instead of
changing the rules on all podlings at the same time, how about we try
this out by giving interested podlings (or new proposals) this "direct
to TLP" option?

If that works out better than the current Incubator model, we can stop
accepting more old-style podlings and just direct them into TLPs right
from the beginning. Meanwhile any existing podlings should have a
chance to graduate under the existing rules unless they rather choose
to use this "direct to TLP" option.

If as a result there's no more podlings in the Incubator, that's IMHO
then the right time to shut down the IPMC, not before. And if it turns
out that the proposed new model doesn't work as expected, we still
have the current processes and structures to fall back to.

The current Incubator model certainly has flaws, but it also does a
lot of things right. There are good reasons for things like the extra
publicity and release constraints placed on podlings, and the proposed
model doesn't address how such restrictions would still work without
the incubator. I note that many of the original constraints of the
Incubator (no releases, etc.) turned out to be unnecessarily strict in
practice, so it could well be that everything will work out smoothly
also without the extra red tape. But small, reversible steps into such
unknown territory are clearly preferable to major leaps of faith.


Jukka Zitting

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