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From Ross Gardler <rgard...@opendirective.com>
Subject Re: Licence headers in template files
Date Mon, 06 Feb 2012 16:21:20 GMT
On 6 February 2012 16:07, sebb <sebbaz@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 6 February 2012 15:29, Ross Gardler <rgardler@opendirective.com> wrote:
>> On 6 February 2012 15:20, sebb <sebbaz@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> As I read it, http://www.apache.org/legal/src-headers.html#faq-exceptions
>>> only applies to files with no creative content.
>>>
>>> AFAICT this is not the case here.
>>
>> Can you tell me why you think this is the case?
>>
>> As a reminder, in my original post I said:
>>
>> "There is no significant IP in these templates. they are mostly
>> boilerplates that are intended to be replaced by the end user"
>
> Are IP and creativity the same thing?

In the context of my statements here, yes. In the wider context we
could probably debate that for quite some time ;-)

> Seems to me that the templates do contain creative content.

Agreed.

Ross

>
>> Ross
>>
>>>
>>> On 6 February 2012 15:03, Ross Gardler <rgardler@opendirective.com> wrote:
>>>> Perfect - thanks Ate
>>>>
>>>> On 6 February 2012 14:54, Ate Douma <ate@douma.nu> wrote:
>>>>> On 02/06/2012 03:30 PM, ant elder wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 2:16 PM, Ate Douma<ate@douma.nu>  wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 02/06/2012 02:44 PM, ant elder wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 1:37 PM, Franklin, Matthew B.
>>>>>>>> <mfranklin@mitre.org>    wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I am sure you know this (especially since you first pointed
me at this
>>>>>>>>> page), but the release FAQ [1] makes it sound like you
need the header,
>>>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>>> you assume your templates are source:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>       Which Files Must Contain An ASF License Text?
>>>>>>>>>       Every source file must contain the appropriate
ASF License text.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I am no lawyer, so I will defer to someone who has more
experience than
>>>>>>>>> me to help you determine whether your snippets count
as source.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I think that is a bug in the Release FAQ. What i've been
told in the
>>>>>>>> past but which i can't find links to right now, is that the
top level
>>>>>>>> LICENSE file covers everything anyway and the individual
license
>>>>>>>> headers aren't strictly necessary especially for source files
without
>>>>>>>> significant IP.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Really? That then would be quite some 'bug' IMO.
>>>>>>> I can't recall have heard it said like this before, instead confirmation
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> the above rule quite often. Exceptions (no headers) only being
allowed
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> sources without real IP value.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ate
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> IMHO if the headers are problematic for Wookie in
>>>>>>>> those files then it would be ok to just not include the header.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>    ...ant
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've just asked for clarification about this over at legal -
>>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-124
>>>>>>
>>>>> Seems to me this has been asked and answered before:
>>>>>
>>>>>  http://www.apache.org/legal/src-headers.html#faq-exceptions
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>    ...ant
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>>>>
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>>>> Ross Gardler (@rgardler)
>>>> Programme Leader (Open Development)
>>>> OpenDirective http://opendirective.com
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