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From Ross Gardler <>
Subject Re: Fwd: mentoring individuals as well as projects
Date Wed, 01 Feb 2012 22:07:33 GMT
Joe, can you please restate (or link to the archives) the intent and
practice of your "experiment"


On 1 February 2012 22:02, Joe Schaefer <> wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Marvin Humphrey <>
>> To:; Joe Schaefer <>
>> Cc:
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2012 3:03 PM
>> Subject: Re: Fwd: mentoring individuals as well as projects
>> On Wed, Feb 01, 2012 at 09:32:23AM -0800, Joe Schaefer wrote:
>>>  I believe this is what Marvin is alluding to when he points out that
>>>  compentent IPMC oversight is little more than an illusive myth on most
>>>  of our podlings.
>> A PPMC member, by virtue of their deep familiarity with the code base and
>> close monitoring of ongoing development, is, once they have internalized ASF
>> values and studied relevant legal issues, in a *better* position to review a
>> release and protect their project's integrity than any Mentor.
>>>  We rely on the committers to police themselves and we trust that they do,
>>>  but we do not, as a group, empower such people to perform that work on
>>>  behalf of the IPMC.
>> Giving suitably diligent podling contributors real oversight responsibility
>> and accountability while they are still in the Incubator, allowing them to
>> serve alongside experienced Mentors, watch them, ask them questions and
>> participate in their struggle... that's what, in my opinion, will prepare
>> them to become superior stewards of their projects after graduation.
> Agreed Marvin, but we have a long way to go before people will ever realize
> this approach will largely solve our outstanding problems regarding IPMC releases.
> People have to feel comfortable relaxing control of the reigns, and let go
> of the idea that only a very limited and special group of people are capable
> of performing real oversight for the foundation.
> It's not easy, and it's certainly not conducive to Western ways of thinking
> about governance and society.  But it works.
> IMO we should proceed the same way as always, by taking small and largely
> reversible steps.  Let's expand the "experiment" I started in 2010 to another
> handful of projects, and see what really happens.  I suggest we include
> ManifoldCF for now.  Any others willing to participate?
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