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From Alex Karasulu <akaras...@apache.org>
Subject Re: [VOTE] Graduate Sqoop podling from Apache Incubator
Date Tue, 28 Feb 2012 22:50:12 GMT
On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 11:39 PM, Arvind Prabhakar <arvind@apache.org>wrote:

> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 1:25 PM, Jukka Zitting <jukka.zitting@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 9:53 PM, Patrick Hunt <phunt@apache.org> wrote:
> >> On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 12:24 PM, Alan D. Cabrera <adc@toolazydogs.com>
> wrote:
> >>> Opps, I didn't see that Arvind concluded the vote.  I still stand by
> my opinion that there
> >>> are some things that are not solely up to the people that are doing
> the work.  Complete
> >>> migration to the the org.apache.* package space is one of them.
> >>
> >> No worries. I respect your opinion and if Apache feels that this is
> >> important enough to make explicit then certainly Sqoop should make the
> >> changes. Short of that I don't see why we should hold Sqoop to a
> >> higher standard than is expected of other Apache projects. (that's
> >> _my_ opinion ;-) )
> >
> > Right.
> >
> > Basically the graduation vote by the IPMC is about determining whether
> > the PPMC is capable of conducting itself according to the Apache Way
> > and Apache policies on it's own. I didn't have time to look deeper
> > into Sqoop yet, but all the +1s in this vote suggest that the Sqoop
> > PPMC is ready to take on that responsibility. Along with that
> > responsibility comes the right to make value judgements on topics like
> > this where existing policies aren't clearly spelled out.
>
> Thanks Jukka. In fact, Sqoop already has a plan in place to completely
> remove com.cloudera.* namespace from its contents via the next major
> revision of the product. The work for that has already started and
> currently exists under the branch sqoop2 [3], tracked by SQOOP-365
> [4]. We hope that in a few months time, we will have feature parity in
> this branch with the trunk, which is when we will promote it to the
> trunk.
>
> [3] https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/sqoop/branches/sqoop2/
> [4] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/SQOOP-365
>
> >
> > Personally I think we should let the vote result stand with guidance
> > to the new Sqoop PMC to discuss the matter with the branding team at
> > trademarks@ to seek Apache-wide consensus. I encourage anyone who
> > feels strongly about this (the point being made clearly has some
> > merit) make their case to trademarks@ as it's IMHO not really the task
> > of the Incubator to be forming new policy on this, especially with all
> > the recent talk about scaling down the ambitions of the IPMC.
>
> This sounds like a great solution that addresses the concern and does
> not unduly penalize the Sqoop project.
>

You really should not be seeing this as being penalized. It's not about
that.

Alex

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