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From "Mattmann, Chris A (388J)" <chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov>
Subject Re: Time to vote the chair?
Date Fri, 03 Feb 2012 16:48:08 GMT
Hi Greg,

On Feb 3, 2012, at 7:22 AM, Greg Stein wrote:

> On Feb 2, 2012 11:20 PM, "Mattmann, Chris A (388J)" <
> chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Benson,
>> 
>> I wouldn't have much problem with this, so long as I make it
>> clear that my intention isn't to remain in the position for longer than
>> one month, two months, whatever it takes to move towards
>> proposal/resolution and board recommendation to dissolve
>> the Incubator and the VP Incubator position, and to implement my
>> proposal. I realize there are INFRA impacts to this; and other nitty
>> gritty details -- I'm  willing to help where I can with those and to
> facilitate
>> the others.
> 
> I think it will be much longer than that.

OK, so let's say 3x longer, and 6 months. I think July 2012 is fair.

Here's some more concrete steps that I ought to add to the Incubator
wiki here: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/IncubatorDeconstructionProposal
but I'm too lazy to, so I'll just type them here :)

1. Interim VP, Incubation role creates all of the TLP JIRA issues for existing Incubator podlings
2. Interim VP, Incubation role works with each community and with infra and with board 
to track status on all of 1. 
3. Interim VP, Incubation sends messages to the mailing list, encourages thoughtful discussion
on each podling of what is coming (aka graduation/TLP status) for each current podling.

That being said, let's say new project comes in over the next 6 months.

1. New project Foo is subject immediately to http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/IncubatorDeconstructionProposal
   - [DISCUSS], [PROPOSAL] occurs on general@incubator
   - [VOTE] occurs on members@, with appropriate links back to discussion on general@ incubator
2. [VOTE] results are tallied by 1 of new project's PMC members that's ASF member, or its
incoming VP, who is a member;
someone has got to be a member, so they can tally the VOTEs
3. Recommendation made to board@ for new project, and resolution constructed based on 2.


> Incremental and reversible steps
> are most desirable.

No problem. So, there's incremental, reversible steps above. And also in my proposal:

http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/IncubatorDeconstructionProposal

> Thus, I would see the Board promoting just a few
> podlings to podling-TLP status, and see how that goes for a couple
> quarters.

We do this right now? What's different? 

Let's set a date to get this done. 6 months. I think it's doable, and seems like
Bill (and hopefully others!) think so too :)

> The Incubator would stick around during that test, continuing
> with the vast majority of podlings.

The existing Incubator can stick around, with the assumption that the VP, Incubation
can work with them to get them transitioned according to the steps above.

> 
> Speaking as a Director, that would be my preferred approach. I obviously
> can't speak for the others, but I would argue against a total, immediate
> deconstruction.

Check out what I typed above. 

Good?

Cheers,
Chris

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Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
Senior Computer Scientist
NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246
Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
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