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From Ralph Goers <>
Subject Re: Nomination of Chris Mattman for the IPMC Chair (was: Re: NOMINATIONS for Incubator PMC Chair)
Date Sat, 04 Feb 2012 01:10:50 GMT

On Feb 3, 2012, at 4:41 PM, Ross Gardler wrote:

> The incubator had demonstrated that relying on mentors is not always
> sufficient. The incubator has failed in it's guidance rule. It has turned
> to oversight and interference. Your proposal, in it's current form, will
> remove the interference but will not revive the guidance.
> The ASF is not just a place to host open source. It is a community
> learning how to do community is hard. The incubator was created to help
> that learning. Your proposal, as it stands will remove the interference but
> will not revive the learning.

This was precisely my reaction but you have said it much better.

>>> The Board has enough to do without trying to
>>> *also* verify release processes, check on podling branding and press,
>>> etc.
>> You guys don't do that for projects, why would you do it in this case?
> TLPs are self governing, podling TLPs could be, but your proposal assumes
> they alwats will be, from day one. Yet the incubator demonstrates mentors
> often fail in this regard. I am not involved in a single poddling that can
> mystery three binding votes on a release today. The IPMC fills the gap, but
> it also generates interference. Your proposal, as it stands, will remove
> the interference but will not maintain the necessary oversight.



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