Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BF972B38C for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2012 11:39:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 72873 invoked by uid 500); 16 Jan 2012 11:39:21 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 72571 invoked by uid 500); 16 Jan 2012 11:39:21 -0000 Mailing-List: contact general-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list general@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 72558 invoked by uid 99); 16 Jan 2012 11:39:20 -0000 Received: from nike.apache.org (HELO nike.apache.org) (192.87.106.230) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Mon, 16 Jan 2012 11:39:20 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (nike.apache.org: domain of jukka.zitting@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.41 as permitted sender) Received: from [74.125.82.41] (HELO mail-ww0-f41.google.com) (74.125.82.41) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Mon, 16 Jan 2012 11:39:13 +0000 Received: by wgbdr12 with SMTP id dr12so1323638wgb.0 for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2012 03:38:53 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=xUS/0iUKvoDLsssQmS1vOmrfbYWdZdVcES7z8tau9Rw=; b=i5pH2zj1g5eKrONYN1YP0Zw9CHRDKPDZG8dz6jLcE+j5lrtmE2wfTN1rmFhWajP74h aExQDorEnQ+BQmN1iIAX4nQ3jpQpwcuRVSKyaJ6/EcJZBuad0g2QnLcnJR5tGkgb2i6g EpNEdq9SXFAnni+Fv2AScYMWzyhYhSVgCYpLw= Received: by 10.180.84.163 with SMTP id a3mr23792779wiz.3.1326713933106; Mon, 16 Jan 2012 03:38:53 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.180.97.67 with HTTP; Mon, 16 Jan 2012 03:38:32 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: Jukka Zitting Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 12:38:32 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Actively retiring projects To: general@incubator.apache.org, antelder@apache.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org Hi, On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 9:43 AM, ant elder wrote: > On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 12:12 PM, Jukka Zitting wrote: >> Projects like PDFBox >> or River are living examples of how active mentoring can turn around >> the fortunes of a project. > > I'm sure the mentoring was ace but a large amount of why River turned > around was down to its participants, without them and what they did no > amount of mentoring would have fixed it. Obviously. > River incubated for four and a half years, and during that time had > quite some "nothing much going on" type reports. > > If some of the recent suggestion were actual Incubator policy River > would be at GitHub. Which suggestions? As has been repeatedly pointed out by Sam, all that's being proposed here are ways to better detect and solve such problems, which is exactly what happened with River. BR, Jukka Zitting --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org