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FWIW, this link was used by Sam during the discussion I referred to =
below - http://s.apache.org/QeN

Ralph

On Jan 2, 2012, at 11:29 PM, Ralph Goers wrote:

>=20
> On Jan 2, 2012, at 11:15 PM, Greg Stein wrote:
>=20
>> On Jan 2, 2012 10:51 PM, "Ralph Goers" <ralph.goers@dslextreme.com> =
wrote:
>>>=20
>>> Greg, I do not care one bit how much commit activity happens at =
Trac. As
>> long as there is some kind of active community it is improper to fork =
it
>> without their permission.
>>=20
>> Eh? You ever read the "rules for revolutionaries" page? The basic =
concept
>> is: don't try to force two communities into one; when separate =
visions for
>> the project occur, then separate them.
>>=20
>> I don't see it as our place to *judge* communities. If it is a fork, =
or a
>> corporate spin-out, or a move, or brand new... All Good. We provide a
>> temporary home in the Incubator to see if it can become a good, =
proper, and
>> healthy Apache community. We don't turn them away a-priori based on =
their
>> history.
>=20
> Greg, this seems to be so much B.S as it apparently serves some =
particular interest you have.  A PMC I am on had this exact conversation =
with board members several months ago regarding a code base the project =
is dependent on that is housed outside the ASF which we were considering =
bringing in as a subproject. We were told that under no circumstances =
could we fork the code without the "owner's" blessing, regardless of =
what the license allowed us to do. To me, this answer is black and =
white.=20
>>=20
>> In my mind, the Trac core has slowed, and it needs revitalization and =
a new
>> vision. Others may disagree, and do, and that's fine. But I don't =
think it
>> is fine for us to make judgements of communities (or nascent ones!) =
who
>> want to try something new. To pick up and go in a direction that =
others are
>> not heading, or do not have the time to make.
>=20
> I have no idea what you are saying. You ARE making a judgement on a =
community by saying it isn't active enough and deserves to be forked.  =
Again, some of your fellow board members have said the ASF isn't the =
place for that.
>=20
> Ralph
>=20


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