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Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2012 11:35:34 -0600
From: "William A. Rowe Jr." <wrowe@rowe-clan.net>
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Subject: Q. Forks without concensus?; A. anytime / depends / never without
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On 1/3/2012 11:14 AM, Greg Stein wrote:
> On Jan 3, 2012 11:48 AM, "William A. Rowe Jr." <wrowe@rowe-clan.net> wrote:
>> ...
>>>> A PMC I am on had this exact conversation with board members several
>>>> months ago regarding a code base the project is dependent on that is housed
>>>> outside the ASF which we were considering bringing in as a subproject. We
>>>> were told that under no circumstances could we fork the code without the
>>>> "owner's" blessing, regardless of what the license allowed us to do. To me,
>>>> this answer is black and white.
>>>
>>> Not to me. :-)
>>
>> Which is the problem, isn't it?  Note; hat switch, you are now speaking
>> with the authority of a Director.
> 
> Euh, nope. Offering my personal opinions. A Director hat would (and does)
> mean nothing since I could not speak for the Board.

So this is a question that should be put to bed once and for all, you have
both been swinging pretty wildly at diametrically opposed answers to this
question.

If we read that the Board has charged this committee with acceptance criteria
for submitted or proposed products... then the question above should be
resolved.

Essentially, we have several choices...

 [ ] Forks are accepted without judgement [Greg] [1]

 [ ] [something more nuanced here]

 [ ] Hostile forks are never acceptable [Roy] [2]

If the answer lies somewhere in the middle, it would help potential
contributors/forkers to know approximately where that middle sits.


[1] "I don't see it as our place to *judge* communities. If it is a fork,
    or a corporate spin-out, or a move, or brand new... All Good. "

[2] "At Apache, all contributions are voluntary.  We do not accept code
    from copyright owners who don't want us to have it, even if we have
    the legal right to adopt it for other reasons.


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