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Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 09:31:33 -0800 (PST)
From: Joe Schaefer <joe_schaefer@yahoo.com>
Reply-To: Joe Schaefer <joe_schaefer@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Parking Projects [WAS Re: -1 on this months board report (was:
 Small but otherwise happy podlings)]
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True, but decisions can't be delegated to individuals,=0Aonly tasks.=A0 Rob=
ert conveniently blurs the two.=0A=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message -----=0A>=
 From: Christian Grobmeier <grobmeier@gmail.com>=0A> To: general@incubator.=
apache.org; Joe Schaefer <joe_schaefer@yahoo.com>=0A> Cc: =0A> Sent: Sunday=
, January 15, 2012 12:24 PM=0A> Subject: Re: Parking Projects [WAS Re: -1 o=
n this months board report (was: Small but otherwise happy podlings)]=0A> =
=0A> On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 6:08 PM, Joe Schaefer <joe_schaefer@yahoo.com>=
 =0A> wrote:=0A>>>  From: Robert Burrell Donkin <robertburrelldonkin@gmail.=
com>=0A>>>  To: general@incubator.apache.org=0A>>>  Cc:=0A>>>  Sent: Sunday=
, January 15, 2012 12:01 PM=0A>>>  Subject: Re: Parking Projects [WAS Re: -=
1 on this months board report =0A> (was: Small but otherwise happy podlings=
)]=0A>>> =0A>>>  On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 4:48 PM, Joe Schaefer =0A> <joe_sc=
haefer@yahoo.com>=0A>>>  wrote:=0A>>>>  =A0It is good that someone finally =
explained their opinion of=0A>>>>  =A0a mentor's responsibility to the IPMC=
 out in the open.=A0 Let=0A>>>>  =A0me disagree with you that mentors are n=
ot supposed to be put=0A>>>>  =A0in the position of judging whether or not =
a podling is actually=0A>>>>  =A0making progress or not.=A0 If mentors don'=
t do that, who does?=0A>>>>  =A0The chair?=A0 A super-committee?=A0 Nobody?=
=0A>>> =0A>>>  Last time I looked, the board charge the IPMC with this duty=
, not =0A> Mentors=0A>> =0A>>  Last time I looked, mentors were delegated t=
his duty by the IPMC.=0A>>  If not, let's go ahead and do that just to add =
clarity.=0A> =0A> Last time I looked, every Mentor is on the IPMC:=0A> http=
://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Roles_and_Responsibilities.html#Mentor=
=0A> "All Mentors must be members of the Incubator PMC. "=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A=
> =0A>>> =0A>>>>  =A0While I certainly don't expect you as a mentor to "fix=
 =0A> all that=0A>>>>  =A0is broken in the Incubator" single-handedly, I do=
 expect you=0A>>>>  =A0to care enough to try and "fix all that is broken" i=
n =0A> your=0A>>>  podling.=0A>>>>  =A0It shouldn't take a board member's o=
pinion for you to =0A> critically=0A>>>>  =A0review the reports of your pod=
ling and provide them with your own=0A>>>>  =A0feedback on how they are doi=
ng.=A0 That IMO is what you signed up=0A>>>>  =A0to do as mentor.=0A>>> =0A=
>>>  I have no legal training. I'm not CEO of Oracle. I don't have =0A> the=
=0A>>>  US$100B that would be required to buy Oracle. I now have limited=0A=
>>>  computer access time. I am now incapable of driving public campaigns=
=0A>>>  to influence corporate behaviour.=0A>>> =0A>>>  I admit that there =
are some things that I can fix. The JCP is just one =0A> of them.=0A>> =0A>=
>  There's always the realistic and humble approach of changing the things=
=0A>>  you can change instead of idly waiting for events beyond your contro=
l to=0A>>  transpire.=0A>> =0A>>> =0A>>>>  =A0Why do we need these obscure =
notions to characterize a failed =0A> incubation=0A>>>>  =A0effort?=A0 Can'=
t we be adults and say it simply didn't work =0A> out, no=0A>>>>  =A0harm n=
o foul, best of luck in your future endeavors elsewhere?=0A>>>>  =A0I sure =
hope we aren't going to get into the business of =0A> promising=0A>>>>  =A0=
zombie projects a perpetual home in the incubator.=0A>>> =0A>>>  Kato is st=
alled by external events over which the contributors and=0A>>>  Mentors hav=
e no control. Mark and freeze would at least inform anyone=0A>>>  who wants=
 to terminate the podling to do so.=0A>>> =0A>>>  Robert=0A>>> =0A>>>  ----=
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