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Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 14:10:08 -0800 (PST)
From: Joe Schaefer <joe_schaefer@yahoo.com>
Reply-To: Joe Schaefer <joe_schaefer@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Small but otherwise happy podlings
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The thing is there is no way to tell whether or not a mentor is=0Aeven CAPA=
BLE of writing a status report for a podling if the podling=0Ais immediatel=
y tasked with doing so themselves.=A0 We are in the boat=0Awe are in now be=
cause we have for too long assumed any member who=0Aoffered to mentor a pod=
ling was ready, able, and willing to do a decent=0Ajob of it.=A0 Without pu=
tting any feedback loops into the system for=0Adetermining whether mentors =
are performing their job well we will=0Anever be able to move to a system t=
hat's both providing proper oversight=0Aorganizationally and distributing t=
rust to the mentors who are providing it.=0A=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message=
 -----=0A> From: Marcel Offermans <marcel.offermans@luminis.nl>=0A> To: gen=
eral@incubator.apache.org=0A> Cc: antelder@apache.org; Joe Schaefer <joe_sc=
haefer@yahoo.com>=0A> Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 5:03 PM=0A> Subject: =
Re: Small but otherwise happy podlings=0A> =0A> Whilst I agree there is val=
ue in demonstrating a starting podling what a good =0A> report should look =
like by doing it for them, I also strongly believe in =0A> learning by doin=
g, so I would still propose that a podling has a go at it =0A> themselves, =
before having a mentor step in. In the end, this is also a question =0A> of=
 "mentoring style" and I think we should leave that up to the =0A> mentors =
and podlings.=0A> =0A> A mentor should be actively involved in the discussi=
on about the report though, =0A> ensuring that the end result is good.=0A> =
=0A> Greetings, Marcel=0A> =0A> On Jan 10, 2012, at 22:52 , Joe Schaefer wr=
ote:=0A> =0A>>  I don't know about you, but in the podlings I mentor I am s=
ubscribed=0A>>  to most if not all of the mailing lists and try to read the=
 bulk of=0A>>  it all.=A0 I could easily write status reports for them if i=
t was my=0A>>  responsibility to do so, and for the initial 6 months would =
prefer=0A>>  that mentors showed their podlings and their fellow mentors wh=
at can=0A>>  be done with a properreport before passing that duty along to =
the PPMC.=0A>> =0A>> =0A>> =0A>>  ----- Original Message -----=0A>>>  From:=
 ant elder <ant.elder@gmail.com>=0A>>>  To: general@incubator.apache.org=0A=
>>>  Cc: =0A>>>  Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 4:47 PM=0A>>>  Subject: Re=
: Small but otherwise happy podlings=0A>>> =0A>>>  I like the idea of mento=
rs being expected to signoff on the wiki just=0A>>>  to show that they are =
paying attention, but i also agree that it might=0A>>>  be useful to have a=
long with the poddling reports to have comments=0A>>>  from the mentors. So=
 how about doing both? Just extend the mentor=0A>>>  signoff section to inc=
lude comments so a poddling report is the=0A>>>  poddling comments, mentor =
comments about whats going on and what=0A>>>  they'd like to see the poddli=
ng doing in the next months and a =0A> signoff=0A>>>  from all active mento=
rs.=0A>>> =0A>>>  Or Joe are you saying that we should scrap the poddling c=
omments bit=0A>>>  entirely? I think its useful to get a quick overview of =
whats going on=0A>>>  and it gets them used to the TLP board report require=
ment.=0A>>> =0A>>> =A0  ...ant=0A>>> =0A>>>  On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 6:27 PM=
, Joe Schaefer =0A> <joe_schaefer@yahoo.com> =0A>>>  wrote:=0A>>>>  Lame.=
=A0 I would actually like to see mentors WRITING the reports=0A>>>>  at lea=
st for the first 6 months to a year, then going to sign-off=0A>>>>  on the =
wiki.=0A>>>> =0A>>>> =0A>>>> =0A>>>>  ----- Original Message -----=0A>>>>> =
 From: William A. Rowe Jr. <wrowe@rowe-clan.net>=0A>>>>>  To: general@incub=
ator.apache.org=0A>>>>>  Cc: Upayavira <uv@odoko.co.uk>=0A>>>>>  Sent: Mond=
ay, January 9, 2012 1:23 PM=0A>>>>>  Subject: Re: Small but otherwise happy=
 podlings=0A>>>>> =0A>>>>>  On 1/9/2012 11:40 AM, Upayavira wrote:=0A>>>>>>=
 =A0 Regarding attrition of mentors, it was discussed having =0A> mentors=
=0A>>>>>  'sign'=0A>>>>>> =A0 the board report for their podling. Could tha=
t be =0A> encouraged, and =0A>>>  used=0A>>>>>> =A0 as a sign of minimum 'a=
ctivity' for a mentor?=0A>>>>> =0A>>>>>  How about simply sign off on podli=
ng-dev@?=A0 Even if it is =0A> "Thanks =0A>>>  for=0A>>>>>  drafting this!=
=A0 No edits from me."=0A>>>>> =0A>>>>> =0A>>>>> =0A> ---------------------=
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