From general-return-33194-apmail-incubator-general-archive=incubator.apache.org@incubator.apache.org Tue Jan 3 20:13:40 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7465A9136 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 20:13:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 93603 invoked by uid 500); 3 Jan 2012 20:13:39 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 93349 invoked by uid 500); 3 Jan 2012 20:13:39 -0000 Mailing-List: contact general-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list general@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 93341 invoked by uid 99); 3 Jan 2012 20:13:39 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (140.211.11.136) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Tue, 03 Jan 2012 20:13:39 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (athena.apache.org: domain of ralph.goers@dslextreme.com designates 209.85.212.47 as permitted sender) Received: from [209.85.212.47] (HELO mail-vw0-f47.google.com) (209.85.212.47) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Tue, 03 Jan 2012 20:13:31 +0000 Received: by vbbfc21 with SMTP id fc21so13099535vbb.6 for ; Tue, 03 Jan 2012 12:13:10 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.19.206 with SMTP id h14mr14952621vde.131.1325621590718; Tue, 03 Jan 2012 12:13:10 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.220.15.80 with HTTP; Tue, 3 Jan 2012 12:13:10 -0800 (PST) X-Originating-IP: [208.240.243.170] In-Reply-To: <4F035B24.9010807@apache.org> References: <4F033C66.5050607@rowe-clan.net> <4F035B24.9010807@apache.org> Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 12:13:10 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Q. Forks without concensus?; A. anytime / depends / never without agreement From: "ralph.goers @dslextreme.com" To: general@incubator.apache.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf307d06ce05790704b5a5542b --20cf307d06ce05790704b5a5542b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 11:46 AM, Doug Cutting wrote: > On 01/03/2012 07:35 AM, William A. Rowe Jr. wrote: > > [1] "I don't see it as our place to *judge* communities. If it is a fork, > > or a corporate spin-out, or a move, or brand new... All Good. " > > > > [2] "At Apache, all contributions are voluntary. We do not accept code > > from copyright owners who don't want us to have it, even if we have > > the legal right to adopt it for other reasons. > > These aren't necessarily contradictory. At least part of what Roy's > saying is that if someone doesn't intend to distribute their software > under the Apache license then we should not take it. But I think if > someone's clearly established their intent to publish a body of software > under the Apache license and a new community forms around that software > that's distinct from its original authors, then we can consider housing > that community. In the case Roy made the comment I quoted on, the code had been distributed under the Apache License. The license was being changed to Eclipse. We asked whether the Apache Licensed version could be brought into the ASF. The answer was effectively, not without the owner's permission. I don't have a problem with that answer. I also don't have a problem with your answer above. I do have a problem giving a different answer based on who the involved parties are. Ralph --20cf307d06ce05790704b5a5542b--