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From Christian Grobmeier <grobme...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Parking Projects [WAS Re: -1 on this months board report (was: Small but otherwise happy podlings)]
Date Sun, 15 Jan 2012 17:24:12 GMT
On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 6:08 PM, Joe Schaefer <joe_schaefer@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> From: Robert Burrell Donkin <robertburrelldonkin@gmail.com>
>> To: general@incubator.apache.org
>> Cc:
>> Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 12:01 PM
>> Subject: Re: Parking Projects [WAS Re: -1 on this months board report (was: Small
but otherwise happy podlings)]
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 4:48 PM, Joe Schaefer <joe_schaefer@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>>  It is good that someone finally explained their opinion of
>>>  a mentor's responsibility to the IPMC out in the open.  Let
>>>  me disagree with you that mentors are not supposed to be put
>>>  in the position of judging whether or not a podling is actually
>>>  making progress or not.  If mentors don't do that, who does?
>>>  The chair?  A super-committee?  Nobody?
>>
>> Last time I looked, the board charge the IPMC with this duty, not Mentors
>
> Last time I looked, mentors were delegated this duty by the IPMC.
> If not, let's go ahead and do that just to add clarity.

Last time I looked, every Mentor is on the IPMC:
http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Roles_and_Responsibilities.html#Mentor
"All Mentors must be members of the Incubator PMC. "




>>
>>>  While I certainly don't expect you as a mentor to "fix all that
>>>  is broken in the Incubator" single-handedly, I do expect you
>>>  to care enough to try and "fix all that is broken" in your
>> podling.
>>>  It shouldn't take a board member's opinion for you to critically
>>>  review the reports of your podling and provide them with your own
>>>  feedback on how they are doing.  That IMO is what you signed up
>>>  to do as mentor.
>>
>> I have no legal training. I'm not CEO of Oracle. I don't have the
>> US$100B that would be required to buy Oracle. I now have limited
>> computer access time. I am now incapable of driving public campaigns
>> to influence corporate behaviour.
>>
>> I admit that there are some things that I can fix. The JCP is just one of them.
>
> There's always the realistic and humble approach of changing the things
> you can change instead of idly waiting for events beyond your control to
> transpire.
>
>>
>>>  Why do we need these obscure notions to characterize a failed incubation
>>>  effort?  Can't we be adults and say it simply didn't work out, no
>>>  harm no foul, best of luck in your future endeavors elsewhere?
>>>  I sure hope we aren't going to get into the business of promising
>>>  zombie projects a perpetual home in the incubator.
>>
>> Kato is stalled by external events over which the contributors and
>> Mentors have no control. Mark and freeze would at least inform anyone
>> who wants to terminate the podling to do so.
>>
>> Robert
>>
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