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From Christian Grobmeier <grobme...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [VOTE] Clarify the role of the Champion as an "incubation coordinator"
Date Tue, 17 Jan 2012 22:31:47 GMT
On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 11:21 PM, Joe Schaefer <joe_schaefer@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Well I think we will likely see more of the
> same- the usual suspects signing up to Champion,
> then wandering off once the podling is underway.

Hm, you might be right on that.

If we would have a smaller IPMC, with elected people, as we already
discussed, would it help? Not sure in this case. But if one must earn
"IPMC" membership as in every other project, it is probably more
likely that he will fulfill the duties he asked for.

I just asked myself if such a longterm duty can work out in a
volunteer based organisation. We all have dayjobs (most of us), people
sometimes put up other prios. We ask for somebody who fills roles for
a pretty long time and stay committed to a project. On other projects
you can go silent for a while, this is not possible when being a
mentor or a champion.

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>>________________________________
>> From: Christian Grobmeier <grobmeier@gmail.com>
>>To: general@incubator.apache.org; Joe Schaefer <joe_schaefer@yahoo.com>
>>Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 5:18 PM
>>Subject: Re: [VOTE] Clarify the role of the Champion as an "incubation coordinator"
>>
>>On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 11:15 PM, Joe Schaefer <joe_schaefer@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> I doubt writing some more documentation on
>>> some webpage about yet another set of responsibilities
>>> for yet another role will make a material
>>> difference to anyone's behavior.  Under Noel
>>> we have run the Incubator as a member entitlement
>>> program, and the generally poor quality of
>>> mentoring is the natural result of that.
>>
>>If we can't find a champion willing to do this task we shouldn't
>>accept the podling.
>>This levels the bar to enter the incubator, but probably helps that we
>>do not accept every podling which sounds cool.
>>Better less but well-cared podlings.
>>
>>How to care on what we have now is another question.
>>
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>>>>________________________________
>>>> From: William A. Rowe Jr. <wrowe@rowe-clan.net>
>>>>To: general@incubator.apache.org
>>>>Cc: Joe Schaefer <joe_schaefer@yahoo.com>
>>>>Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 5:10 PM
>>>>Subject: Re: [VOTE] Clarify the role of the Champion as an "incubation coordinator"
>>>>
>>>>On 1/17/2012 4:03 PM, Joe Schaefer wrote:
>>>>> Yes, but this may wind up raising the bar for the
>>>>> Champion position so high that we wind up with
>>>>> fewer people offering to fulfill it.
>>>>
>>>>In those cases, perhaps there is nobody actually qualified and willing
>>>>to "Champion" the project at all?  In which case we end up with the
>>>>handful of half-attentive mentors which you have been ranting about.
>>>>
>>>>This may reset the bar.  Perhaps that bar needed to be reset?
>>>>
>>>>
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