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From Mohammad Nour El-Din <>
Subject Re: Parking Projects [WAS Re: -1 on this months board report (was: Small but otherwise happy podlings)]
Date Sun, 15 Jan 2012 18:15:50 GMT
Hi Robert...

On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 5:31 PM, Robert Burrell Donkin <> wrote:

> On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 11:55 PM, Sam Ruby <> wrote:
> > On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 6:32 PM, Stuart Monteith <>
> wrote:
> <snip>
> >> I'll back up what Ant said - Robert and Ant have shown heroic patience
> as mentors on this project. The situation will resolve itself one way or
> the other soon.
> >
> > If the question is whether Robert and Ant are good guys, there is no
> > question, they both have my vote on that question.
> As a Kato mentor, I see my role as ensuring that the Foundation is
> safe and that Kato is run the Apache Way, not fixing all that's broken
> in the Incubator.
> > If the question is whether or not a podling can essentially copy and
> > paste the same report quarter after quarter, year after year, with
> > little or no change, then I strongly object.
> ATM Incubation works well only for main sequence projects. The IPMC
> has collectively failed to account in its system for podlings that
> encounter unusual issues that force them from the sequence.
> IMO it is the responsibility of the IPMC to fix the system when it
> breaks, not the Mentors of the podling. For month after month, Kato

Allow me to disagree with you about that part, Mentors are *part* of the
IPMC and they should not only watch/monitor podlings w/o trying to spot
problems and try their best to deliver that to the IPMC, or even try to
solve or suggest solutions for such problems.

The way you are descriping Mentors is, IMO, very passive.

I am sure that we can not make each and every mentor to be like that, but
this is how a mentor should be IMO.

> has been flagged in the reports as stalled but no one in the IPMC
> community thought to even discuss how to fix this before now.
> (And now the IPMC seems to have brought only one club: terminate any
> podling which leaves the main sequence...)
> Kato is not the first podling to be stalled. It will not be the last.
> A 'parked' status (freezing the podling but allowing an efficient
> restart) is IMO the right way to manage this.
> Robert
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- Mohammad Nour
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