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From Mohammad Nour El-Din <nour.moham...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Parking Projects [WAS Re: -1 on this months board report (was: Small but otherwise happy podlings)]
Date Sun, 15 Jan 2012 18:24:31 GMT
On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 6:00 PM, Daniel Shahaf <d.s@daniel.shahaf.name>wrote:

> Joe Schaefer wrote on Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 08:48:02 -0800:
> > Why do we need these obscure notions to characterize a failed incubation
> > effort?  Can't we be adults and say it simply didn't work out, no
> > harm no foul, best of luck in your future endeavors elsewhere?
> > I sure hope we aren't going to get into the business of promising
> > zombie projects a perpetual home in the incubator.
> >
>
> For that to work we should be able to make a (public) distinction
> between projects that failed to graduate due to 'negative' reasons
> (say: having dev discussions off-list) and for 'non-positive' reasons
> (say: failed to maintain 3 active PMCers).
>
> And clarify if/how projects that were leaved may ask to reenter.
>

+1 The idea needs more details for sure IMHO, but I like the base line of
it.


>
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Robert Burrell Donkin <robertburrelldonkin@gmail.com>
> > > To: general@incubator.apache.org
> > > Cc:
> > > Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 11:31 AM
> > > Subject: Parking Projects [WAS Re: -1 on this months board report
> (was: Small but otherwise happy podlings)]
> > >
> > > On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 11:55 PM, Sam Ruby <rubys@intertwingly.net>
> wrote:
> > >>  On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 6:32 PM, Stuart Monteith <stukato@stoo.me.uk
> >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > <snip>
> > >
> > >>>  I'll back up what Ant said - Robert and Ant have shown heroic
> > > patience as mentors on this project. The situation will resolve itself
> one way
> > > or the other soon.
> > >>
> > >>  If the question is whether Robert and Ant are good guys, there is no
> > >>  question, they both have my vote on that question.
> > >
> > > As a Kato mentor, I see my role as ensuring that the Foundation is
> > > safe and that Kato is run the Apache Way, not fixing all that's broken
> > > in the Incubator.
> > >
> > >>  If the question is whether or not a podling can essentially copy and
> > >>  paste the same report quarter after quarter, year after year, with
> > >>  little or no change, then I strongly object.
> > >
> > > ATM Incubation works well only for main sequence projects. The IPMC
> > > has collectively failed to account in its system for podlings that
> > > encounter unusual issues that force them from the sequence.
> > >
> > > IMO it is the responsibility of the IPMC to fix the system when it
> > > breaks, not the Mentors of the podling. For month after month, Kato
> > > has been flagged in the reports as stalled but no one in the IPMC
> > > community thought to even discuss how to fix this before now.
> > >
> > > (And now the IPMC seems to have brought only one club: terminate any
> > > podling which leaves the main sequence...)
> > >
> > > Kato is not the first podling to be stalled. It will not be the last.
> > > A 'parked' status (freezing the podling but allowing an efficient
> > > restart) is IMO the right way to manage this.
> > >
> > > Robert
> > >
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Thanks
- Mohammad Nour
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