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From Donald Whytock <>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] eliminate vetoes on personnel votes
Date Tue, 31 Jan 2012 23:28:37 GMT
May I suggest bumping thoughts of cashiering the incubator to its own
thread?  It seems a much bigger question than whether to prevent
vetoes on PPMC membership votes.


On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 6:21 PM, William A. Rowe Jr. <> wrote:
> On 1/31/2012 5:05 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote:
>> In replacement, I propose the following concrete actions:
>> 1. Move the Incubator process/policy/documentation, etc., to ComDev - I
>> agree with gstein on this. I think it could be maintained by the ASF community
>> folks there, and updated over time. But it's not vastly or rapidly changing really
>> anymore.
>> 2. Discharge the Incubator PMC and the role of Incubator VP -- pat everyone on
>> the back, go have a beer, watch the big game together, whatever. Call it a
>> success, not a failure.
>> 3. Suggest at the board level that an Incubation "process" still exists at Apache,
>> in the same way that it exists today. New projects write a proposal, the proposal
>> is VOTEd on by the board at the board's next monthly meeting, and those
>> that cannot be are QUEUED for the next meeting, or VOTEd on during out of
>> board inbetween time on board@. Refer those wanting to "Incubate" at Apache
>> to the existing Incubator documentation maintained by the ComDev community.
>> Tell them to ask questions there, about the process, about what to do, or if
>> ideas make sense. But *not* to VOTE on whether they are accepted or not.
> Note that at the time the incubator was created, there was no particular
> process.  Projects entered the ASF helter-skelter, without really following
> any template.
> Also, the legal committee was not a resource, comdev was not a resource,
> trademarks was not a resource, press was not a resource.
> I think it's sort of silly to suggest that resource needs are completely
> isolated to either incubating efforts, or TLP efforts.
> So the question is, what does the incubator provide today that should be
> persisted as a resource to any incubating or full project?  Obviously,
> mentorship; but comdev seems like a really good home for that.
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