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From Ross Gardler <rgard...@opendirective.com>
Subject Re: Actively retiring projects
Date Mon, 16 Jan 2012 09:42:09 GMT
On 16 January 2012 09:31, Robert Burrell Donkin
<robertburrelldonkin@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 9:23 AM, ant elder <antelder@apache.org> wrote:
>> On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 9:15 AM, Ross Gardler
>> <rgardler@opendirective.com> wrote:
>>> On 16 January 2012 09:05, ant elder <ant.elder@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> ...
>>>
>>>> ActiveMQ, Cassandra, CXF, Felix, Harmony
>>>>
>>>> Are people seriously suggesting that the ASF would be better off had
>>>> we terminated those poddlings just because some time period of
>>>> incubation had passed?
>>>
>>> Can we please stop with this kind of language, Nobody has suggested
>>> that a podling be terminated at a fixed point in time. Let me repeat
>>> that ***NOBODY*** has suggested this.
>>>
>>
>> You and Sam have just replied +1 to Joe's suggestion that we are not
>> in the business of providing free hosting and that we should insist
>> some poddlings be taken to GitHub. The subject of this thread is
>> "Actively retiring projects". If what is being proposed is in fact not
>> actively retiring projects then lets shut this thread down and start
>> up some new threads on what the proposals really are.

That is true, and I still I agree with Joes statement.

But let me be clear, I agree with the statement Joe made, not the
statement you seem to think he made. Joe did *not* say that we should
kick projects out at a specified point in time. What he said was "I
wish we could get past the whole idea that we are punishing a podling
by insisting that they take their work to say github instead.... What
we lack is a sensible mechanism for reviewing longstanding projects in
terms of their projected future in this place."

This is what I said in the text you snipped from above.

> The right way to discipline Mentors is to remove them from the IPMC.
> I've started a thread on private. Threatening to terminate their
> podlings just muddies the waters.

We are *not* talking about disciplining mentors we are talking about
helping them do a better job or, if they are inactive, recognising
this and helping the podling find the mentoring they need. It is about
feedback loops, not about big sticks.

Ross

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