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From Sam Ruby <ru...@intertwingly.net>
Subject Re: DeltaSpike IP clarifications
Date Tue, 17 Jan 2012 22:52:43 GMT
On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 5:17 PM, Matt Benson <gudnabrsam@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> We have another question on this topic... RH counsel wants to know why
> clause 4 rather than clause 7 of the ICLA doesn't serve our purposes
> here.*  My inexpert answer would be that the ICLA, with the exception
> of clause 7, deals with "original" works, which is intended to exclude
> "code that was developed outside of the ASF SVN repository and our
> public mailing lists" to quote from
> http://incubator.apache.org/ip-clearance/index.html .  Am I on the
> right track here?

Point them to clause 5.  But perhaps a phone call is in order?  I am
likely in the same timezone as the RH counsel, in fact, I may even be
in the same city.

> Thanks,
> Matt
>
> * for context, we are speaking about bits and pieces that will be
> cherry-picked from the Solder and Seam 3 codebases; thus a software
> grant is a bit of overkill, but saves committers having to disclaim
> each commit as clause 7 would do.

- Sam Ruby

> On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 3:08 PM, Matt Benson <gudnabrsam@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Adding deltaspike-dev back to the distribution:
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 3:01 PM, Gerhard Petracek <gpetracek@apache.org> wrote:
>>> ok - matt and i just had a short talk with sam to ensure that we are
>>> talking about the same.
>>> it isn't the only way, but to resolve it once and for all it's easier to
>>> handle it via a software grant.
>>>
>>> @matt:
>>> it would be great if you can contact them again.
>>
>> Done, copying deltaspike-private.
>>
>> Matt
>>
>>>
>>> @sam:
>>> thx for your help
>>>
>>> regards,
>>> gerhard
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2012/1/17 Gerhard Petracek <gpetracek@apache.org>
>>>
>>>> hi,
>>>>
>>>> in general - fyi:
>>>> we don't have a huge import. we discuss single features and if we agree on
>>>> one, one of the members (of the original project) commits it. all authors
>>>> have their icla on file, joined the project and participate in the
>>>> discussion and the release votes.
>>>>
>>>> regards,
>>>> gerhard
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2012/1/17 Sam Ruby <rubys@intertwingly.net>
>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 2:33 PM, ralph.goers @dslextreme.com
>>>>> <ralph.goers@dslextreme.com> wrote:
>>>>> > I didn't mention CCLA's on purpose. A corporation will have a CCLA
on
>>>>> file
>>>>> > to either a) declare that certain employees are permitted to contribute
>>>>> > software or b) declare that certain software is contributed to the
ASF.
>>>>>  A
>>>>> > CCLA that is on file that only includes Schedule A doesn't grant
the ASF
>>>>> > permission to use specific software created by the company. If the
>>>>> company
>>>>> > is donating the software they need to specify it. If the software
is
>>>>> being
>>>>> > contributed via an ICLA then the CCLA simply says the company is
giving
>>>>> the
>>>>> > contributor the right to contribute software that normally the company
>>>>> > would own. However, an individual should never contribute software
under
>>>>> > their ICLA that they didn't author, unless they have explicit permission
>>>>> > from the other authors. For a "significant" contribution a software
>>>>> grant
>>>>> > is typically the best way to do it.
>>>>>
>>>>> I concur.
>>>>>
>>>>> Either an (additional|updated) CCLA with a concurrent software grant
>>>>> (Schedule B) for the code in question -or- simply a separate Software
>>>>> Grant would be appreciated.
>>>>>
>>>>> If RedHat is on board with this (and everything in this conversations
>>>>> indicated that that is indeed the case), then that shouldn't be a
>>>>> problem?
>>>>>
>>>>> - Sam Ruby
>>>>>
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