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From Sam Ruby <ru...@intertwingly.net>
Subject Re: Actively retiring projects
Date Mon, 16 Jan 2012 11:10:46 GMT
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 3:59 AM, ant elder <ant.elder@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 9:49 PM, Sam Ruby <rubys@intertwingly.net> wrote:
>> On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 3:55 PM, Robert Burrell Donkin
>> <robertburrelldonkin@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 7:40 PM, Sam Ruby <rubys@intertwingly.net> wrote:
>>>> +1
>>
>> Excessive snippage violation.
>>
>>> Voting to terminate a project through lack of success sends a very
>>> clear message. Being 'terminated' is a very clear and public
>>> punishment, both for Mentors and for the project.
>>
>> I didn't call you on it when you said "And now the IPMC seems to have
>> brought only one club: terminate any
>> podling": http://s.apache.org/htF
>>
>> I will do so now.
>>
>> What I, and others, have been asking for is for the Incubator PMC to
>> read, review, and act on Incubator reports before they are sent to the
>> board.  When a podling misses a month, or provides a report that is
>> inadequate, or merely inspires questions, ask for that podling to
>> report again next month.  If a podling deserves special focus, please
>> ask them to report consecutively for a three month period, and in
>> those reports address questions that have come up from the IPMC.  I've
>> said this numerous times.  In case you missed it, here are two such
>> links:
>>
>> http://s.apache.org/rN
>> http://s.apache.org/D1c
>
> Both of those are just from the last two days.

Incorrect.

> By your own account you
> and all the other ASF directors, several of whom who are also
> Incubator PMC members, have been reading for example the Kato reports
> repeatedly for 18 months and have made no comments, no questioning of
> anything, no asking for clarifications, no asking for a new report
> next month, and no asking to report consecutively for a three month
> period, certainly no quiet and gentle comment to the mentors or
> poddling to provide more detail in their report for next time.

The board should not be in the business of micromanaging the
Incubator.  It should be the Incubator itself that asks for individual
podling reports.

Recent feedback to the Incubator PMC from the board on from the
published reports[1]:

16 Nov 2011:

  failure of the Incubator to police the lack of attention by mentors on
  projects that have been incubating for years

26 Oct 2011:

  focus on graduation

20 Jul 2011:

  ensure that long running incubating projects actually have a plausible
  plan to graduate

- Sam Ruby

[1] http://www.apache.org/foundation/board/calendar.html (excerpted
here: https://whimsy.apache.org/board/minutes/Incubator.html)

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