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From Greg Stein <gst...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] eliminate vetoes on personnel votes
Date Tue, 31 Jan 2012 06:43:16 GMT
On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 23:53, Alan D. Cabrera <list@toolazydogs.com> wrote:
> On Jan 30, 2012, at 4:06 PM, Joe Schaefer wrote:
>> It is clear that with all the turmoil of late and people
>> lightly tossing around -1's that the notion of having veto
>> authority over personnel matters makes little sense on this
>> PMC.  Therefore I propose we adopt the policy that personnel
>> votes are by straight majority consensus, iow no vetoes allowed.
>>
>> I intend to offer a policy vote on this issue over the coming
>> days and that vote, as with all procedural votes, is NOT subject
>> to veto.
>
> Seems like a good idea.
>
> I did't realize that -1 votes were vetoes on such matters.  I think that a -1 should
carry the weight of a veto in the eyes of fellow peers such that a consensus would be sought.
 If both sides agree to disagree then the tally proceeds.

This is how we operate in the Apache Subversion project. It is usually
couched as "let's wait a bit [with explanation]" rather than the
negative-connotation of a "-1". But the point is that if there is
somebody a bit worried, then the discussion turns to "okay. what is
the concern? cool. let's watch for that to be remedied, and discuss
again."

The short answer is that in the Subversion project, we go for
*consensus* rather than strict voting rules.

IMO, this also models the Board's approach. If there is a discussion
or a concern, then the Board typically tables a vote. Looking at
history, there are *very* few cases where the Board has not voted
unanimously. We defer the vote and continue discussion, then come back
at the next meeting for a vote. For those non-unanimous votes, the
results have been mixed; so... lately (heh. years), my view has always
been "table" rather than push through a contentious vote.

Cheers,
-g

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