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From Greg Stein <gst...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] eliminate vetoes on personnel votes
Date Tue, 31 Jan 2012 17:12:50 GMT
On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 11:58, Mattmann, Chris A (388J)
<chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
> Hi Guys,
>
> On Jan 31, 2012, at 1:17 AM, Emmanuel Lecharny wrote:
>>>>
>>> Oh, so you want a supermajority in terms of those who have voted, not in
>>> terms of the membership of the IPMC?  Not unreasonable.  Let's see what
>>> others think.
>>
>> I would easily +1 a proposal with a 3/4 majority of the *voters*.
>
> +1 I'm fine with this compromise.

I'm a little unclear on wrowe's original message talking about
"supermajority" and whether that was for *addition* or for *removal*.
I'm assuming that it was only about addition because I've never seen
any PMC-based ejection of a PMC member. The Board has wiped out PMC
rosters before, but I really don't foresee any need to discuss (here)
"rules" around removal.

So we're only talking about addition.

Please remember that these are *recommendations* to the Board. In
effect, there is really no such thing as a "veto", except that a Chair
may simply refuse to send a request to the Board for the addition when
a -1 appears. (and note the Board could do an end-around anyways and
simply put that person on the PMC regardless of the vote/Chair(!))

In that light, we're talking about "what kinds of voting results
should be forwarded by the Chair?" If the Chair sends a request to the
Board to add somebody and reports "5 +1 votes, 2 -1 votes"... would
that be sufficient? 2/3rds or 3/4ths doesn't really matter. The Board
is going to investigate the consensus and what is going on behind
those negative votes.

Shoot. If the Chair doesn't forward that result, somebody else could
forward it with "hey. we think $JOHN should be on the PMC, but the
Chair isn't forwarding cuz of these negative votes." Bang. Again, an
inspection results.

I think the short answer gets back to Joe's suggestion (and my
concurrence): simply allow for a majority vote; forward that to the
Board; let them decide.

Keep it simple. "Rules" don't matter much when you're talking about
forwarding recommendations to the Board.

Cheers,
-g

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