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From "William A. Rowe Jr." <>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] eliminate vetoes on personnel votes
Date Tue, 31 Jan 2012 22:25:33 GMT
On 1/31/2012 3:28 PM, Roy T. Fielding wrote:
> Having said that, I should note that the context of Incubator is
> significantly different than a normal PMC.  If incubator wants to structure
> itself more like a board and less like a project, I really don't have
> much to say against that.  Note that it should effect all of the decision
> guidelines that give veto power, not just personnel decisions.

That touched on something.  The incubator is a meta-committee.  It is
entrusted with and given more latitude to operate subprojects even as
the board has attempted to squash or at least minimize the practice
at other projects.  Probably every issue that happened at Jakarta (etc)
all could and probably will happen here at some point.

Is there latitude to assign PPMC's full and proper subcommittee status,
such that their actions are binding?

Perhaps this is something that happens later in the project, following
the initial phase of incubation.  Perhaps the PPMC is charged with
bootstrapping itself into a subcommittee consisting of those who will
serve at the TLP committee; modulo early signers-on who had not made
any actual contribution during incubation.  Perhaps the mentors become
pivotal in identifying those PPMC participants who  made contributions
and proposing the subcommittee to the IPMC?

So you have an almost-TLP, still operating under the oversight of the
incubator, until the final incubation requirements are met and the
subcommittee is passed on verbatim to the board as a TLP.

This would seem to solve certain desires for more PPMC autonomy and

Back to Roy's point, the incubator PMC produces almost no code.  It
is not a TLP in any sense of the word we know, although that seems to
be lost or ignored in several discussions about incubator operation.

But a subcommittee would have the onus of operating as a familiar
code-producing TLP PMC in every respect.

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