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From "William A. Rowe Jr." <>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] eliminate vetoes on personnel votes
Date Tue, 31 Jan 2012 18:16:04 GMT
On 1/31/2012 11:12 AM, Greg Stein wrote:
> I'm a little unclear on wrowe's original message talking about
> "supermajority" and whether that was for *addition* or for *removal*.
> I'm assuming that it was only about addition because I've never seen
> any PMC-based ejection of a PMC member. The Board has wiped out PMC
> rosters before, but I really don't foresee any need to discuss (here)
> "rules" around removal.
> So we're only talking about addition.

Talk about what you want.  The subject line was clearly inclusive of

> Please remember that these are *recommendations* to the Board. In
> effect, there is really no such thing as a "veto", except that a Chair
> may simply refuse to send a request to the Board for the addition when
> a -1 appears. (and note the Board could do an end-around anyways and
> simply put that person on the PMC regardless of the vote/Chair(!))

Right right... this is only binding on "committee recommendation" which
is then subject to the decision of the chair which is then subject to
the decisions of the board, yadda yadda.

> In that light, we're talking about "what kinds of voting results
> should be forwarded by the Chair?" If the Chair sends a request to the
> Board to add somebody and reports "5 +1 votes, 2 -1 votes"... would
> that be sufficient? 2/3rds or 3/4ths doesn't really matter. The Board
> is going to investigate the consensus and what is going on behind
> those negative votes.
> Shoot. If the Chair doesn't forward that result, somebody else could
> forward it with "hey. we think $JOHN should be on the PMC, but the
> Chair isn't forwarding cuz of these negative votes." Bang. Again, an
> inspection results.

Good points.

> I think the short answer gets back to Joe's suggestion (and my
> concurrence): simply allow for a majority vote; forward that to the
> Board; let them decide.
> Keep it simple. "Rules" don't matter much when you're talking about
> forwarding recommendations to the Board.

Ok, let's keep it concensus, if you want to keep it anything.

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