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From Dave Fisher <dave2w...@comcast.net>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] eliminate vetoes on personnel votes
Date Tue, 31 Jan 2012 06:03:32 GMT


Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 30, 2012, at 7:47 PM, "William A. Rowe Jr." <wrowe@rowe-clan.net> wrote:

> On 1/30/2012 7:44 PM, Dave Fisher wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Jan 30, 2012, at 5:34 PM, "William A. Rowe Jr." <wrowe@rowe-clan.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> On 1/30/2012 6:06 PM, Joe Schaefer wrote:
>>>> It is clear that with all the turmoil of late and people
>>>> lightly tossing around -1's that the notion of having veto
>>>> authority over personnel matters makes little sense on this
>>>> PMC.  Therefore I propose we adopt the policy that personnel
>>>> votes are by straight majority consensus, iow no vetoes allowed.
>>> 
>>> -1
>>> 
>>> The argument is very simple, you don't allow a simple majority to
>>> tyrannize the minority.  So the ASF has long held a simple standard
>>> of consensus on all committee additions and subtractions.  Some
>>> majority might be irked at [insert name here]'s [actions|inaction|
>>> comments|silence] but that was never grounds to remove a committee
>>> member.  If you want to propose some supermajority metric other than
>>> "unanimous", that could work (e.g. 2/3 or 3/4 in agreement
>> 
>> In your plan then a -1 is really a -2 or -3?
>> 
>> Sounds like a filibuster...
> 
> No, I'm -1 to this proposal.  I'd support his proposal if it were
> modified to provide for a measurable super-majority consensus.
> 

When you have supermajorities then 2/3 means each -1 carries 2x the weight. Ok? We agree we
are just using different math,

Regards,
Dave

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