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From Joe Schaefer <joe_schae...@yahoo.com>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] eliminate vetoes on personnel votes
Date Tue, 31 Jan 2012 18:16:53 GMT
----- Original Message -----

> From: William A. Rowe Jr. <wrowe@rowe-clan.net>
> To: Joe Schaefer <joe_schaefer@yahoo.com>
> Cc: "general@incubator.apache.org" <general@incubator.apache.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2012 1:12 PM
> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] eliminate vetoes on personnel votes
> 
> On 1/31/2012 11:38 AM, Joe Schaefer wrote:
>> 
>>  Plainly wrong:  It has been repeatedly established (even by the Chair)
>>  that policy decisions here are not subject to veto.  This is one of those 
> times.
>>  Furthermore the documentation [1] clearly points out that procedural issues
>>  are to be decided by majority consensus, and nothing could be more 
> procedural
>>  than a vote about how to count votes.
>> 
>>  [1] http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html
> 
> You assert this is simply policy.  I assert that this is a fundamental
> to "project bylaws", much like "we don't fork" (if we 
> don't), or "all
> votes require 3 +1's".  You change such things only by consensus or by
> board mandate.

You can assert whatever you want Bill, it has no impact on the situation
at hand.  People here weren't even aware of the "right" you seem to have
taken upon, but I'm here to tell you it's a "privilege"- one that can
be taken away by your peers should they agree that it's being abused.

> Greg just finished explaining that only the chair can submit any
> changes to the PMC.  Try changing that with a simple majority vote.

Relevance being that I am not empowered to make board-level decisions?
BFD, never claimed the contrary.

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