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From Joe Schaefer <joe_schae...@yahoo.com>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] eliminate vetoes on personnel votes
Date Tue, 31 Jan 2012 17:38:41 GMT
----- Original Message -----

> From: William A. Rowe Jr. <wrowe@rowe-clan.net>
> To: general@incubator.apache.org
> Cc: Joe Schaefer <joe_schaefer@yahoo.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2012 12:11 PM
> Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] eliminate vetoes on personnel votes
> 
> On 1/30/2012 6:06 PM, Joe Schaefer wrote:
>>  It is clear that with all the turmoil of late and people
>>  lightly tossing around -1's that the notion of having veto
>>  authority over personnel matters makes little sense on this
>>  PMC.  Therefore I propose we adopt the policy that personnel
>>  votes are by straight majority consensus, iow no vetoes allowed.
>> 
>>  I intend to offer a policy vote on this issue over the coming
>>  days and that vote, as with all procedural votes, is NOT subject
>>  to veto.
> 
> Just FTR; as a proposal to modify a policy/process which requires
> consensus today, your eventual [VOTE] does require consensus to be
> adopted.  You can't do an end run around the current policy with
> a simple majority.

Plainly wrong:  It has been repeatedly established (even by the Chair)
that policy decisions here are not subject to veto.  This is one of those times.
Furthermore the documentation [1] clearly points out that procedural issues
are to be decided by majority consensus, and nothing could be more procedural
than a vote about how to count votes.

[1] http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html

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