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From Joe Schaefer <joe_schae...@yahoo.com>
Subject Re: [VOTE] Clarify the role of the Champion as an "incubation coordinator"
Date Tue, 17 Jan 2012 22:39:13 GMT
My personal threshold for evaluating the
overall quality of a mentor's work is whether
or not I can exceed their level of competence
and effort towards a podling within 5 hours
of reviewing the podling's history.  Most of
the time I can.  Certainly can in the Kato and
Tashi cases.


You are right tho that mentoring is a sustained
commitment to a podling over a long period
of time.   I think we are headed in the right
direction by actively reviewing the reports
of longstanding podlings to see whether their
mentors are still able to demonstrate oversight.




>________________________________
> From: Christian Grobmeier <grobmeier@gmail.com>
>To: general@incubator.apache.org; Joe Schaefer <joe_schaefer@yahoo.com> 
>Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 5:31 PM
>Subject: Re: [VOTE] Clarify the role of the Champion as an "incubation coordinator"
> 
>On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 11:21 PM, Joe Schaefer <joe_schaefer@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Well I think we will likely see more of the
>> same- the usual suspects signing up to Champion,
>> then wandering off once the podling is underway.
>
>Hm, you might be right on that.
>
>If we would have a smaller IPMC, with elected people, as we already
>discussed, would it help? Not sure in this case. But if one must earn
>"IPMC" membership as in every other project, it is probably more
>likely that he will fulfill the duties he asked for.
>
>I just asked myself if such a longterm duty can work out in a
>volunteer based organisation. We all have dayjobs (most of us), people
>sometimes put up other prios. We ask for somebody who fills roles for
>a pretty long time and stay committed to a project. On other projects
>you can go silent for a while, this is not possible when being a
>mentor or a champion.
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>________________________________
>>> From: Christian Grobmeier <grobmeier@gmail.com>
>>>To: general@incubator.apache.org; Joe Schaefer <joe_schaefer@yahoo.com>
>>>Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 5:18 PM
>>>Subject: Re: [VOTE] Clarify the role of the Champion as an "incubation coordinator"
>>>
>>>On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 11:15 PM, Joe Schaefer <joe_schaefer@yahoo.com>
wrote:
>>>> I doubt writing some more documentation on
>>>> some webpage about yet another set of responsibilities
>>>> for yet another role will make a material
>>>> difference to anyone's behavior.  Under Noel
>>>> we have run the Incubator as a member entitlement
>>>> program, and the generally poor quality of
>>>> mentoring is the natural result of that.
>>>
>>>If we can't find a champion willing to do this task we shouldn't
>>>accept the podling.
>>>This levels the bar to enter the incubator, but probably helps that we
>>>do not accept every podling which sounds cool.
>>>Better less but well-cared podlings.
>>>
>>>How to care on what we have now is another question.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>________________________________
>>>>> From: William A. Rowe Jr. <wrowe@rowe-clan.net>
>>>>>To: general@incubator.apache.org
>>>>>Cc: Joe Schaefer <joe_schaefer@yahoo.com>
>>>>>Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 5:10 PM
>>>>>Subject: Re: [VOTE] Clarify the role of the Champion as an "incubation
coordinator"
>>>>>
>>>>>On 1/17/2012 4:03 PM, Joe Schaefer wrote:
>>>>>> Yes, but this may wind up raising the bar for the
>>>>>> Champion position so high that we wind up with
>>>>>> fewer people offering to fulfill it.
>>>>>
>>>>>In those cases, perhaps there is nobody actually qualified and willing
>>>>>to "Champion" the project at all?  In which case we end up with the
>>>>>handful of half-attentive mentors which you have been ranting about.
>>>>>
>>>>>This may reset the bar.  Perhaps that bar needed to be reset?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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