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From Joe Schaefer <joe_schae...@yahoo.com>
Subject Re: Actively retiring projects
Date Mon, 16 Jan 2012 17:17:58 GMT
I can't figure out what is more important to you
at this point Robert, salvaging your ego or helping
your podling succeed here.  If I were in your shoes
I would stop trying to defend my past actions there
and give the podling a clear choice: what's more 

important to them- faithful implementation of an Oracle
led JSR or advancement to a full Apache project?
Open source projects control their own destiny, not
Oracle, and that is just as true with Kato as it was
with Harmony.




>________________________________
> From: Robert Burrell Donkin <robertburrelldonkin@gmail.com>
>To: general@incubator.apache.org 
>Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 10:45 AM
>Subject: Re: Actively retiring projects
> 
>On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 2:10 PM, Sam Ruby <rubys@intertwingly.net> wrote:
>> On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 8:22 AM, Robert Burrell Donkin
>> <robertburrelldonkin@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 11:56 AM, Ross Gardler
>>> <rgardler@opendirective.com> wrote:
>>>> On 16 January 2012 11:51, Robert Burrell Donkin
>>>> <robertburrelldonkin@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> ...
>>>>
>>>>> Terminating projects with active communities is the area of active dispute
>>>>
>>>> Can you please provide a link to a message in the archive that states
>>>> that a project with an active community should be terminated?
>>>
>>> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201201.mbox/%3CCAOFYJNbZ6PYSHZnfgm7GQSVwECoKqDQRjHMJwOLCmXCYUBbiUA%40mail.gmail.com%3E
>>
>> Close reading of that message indicates a suggestion that an inactive
>> community be terminated.
>
>The email suggests termination as the final solution for a number of podlings
>
>If the intention was to highlight potentially inactive podlings,
>labeling them as 'inactive' would have been clearer
>
><snip>
>
>>> Language is important. Project 'termination' feels very different from
>>> 'parking' or 'emeritus graduation', even though the actions taken in
>>> each case may be very similar.
>>
>>> IMO it's time to start thinking about, describing and documentation
>>> exit paths which lead outside Apache without a judgment of failure on
>>> anyone's part
>>
>> http://incubator.apache.org/projects/index.html#graduated
>> http://incubator.apache.org/projects/index.html#dormant
>> http://incubator.apache.org/projects/index.html#retired
>>
>> Perhaps "dormant" would be an appropriate description of the Kato
>> polding at this time?
>
>Kato is now - and has been - stalled for more than a year: work was
>stopped by an external impediment (rather than interest drifting away)
>[1]
>
>It would have been clearer to be able to mark this sort of situation
>and suspend animation
>
>Robert
>[1] The community awaits a decision from Oracle. At one time, this was
>expected promptly. Now hope fades.
>
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