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From Joe Schaefer <joe_schae...@yahoo.com>
Subject Re: Parking Projects [WAS Re: -1 on this months board report (was: Small but otherwise happy podlings)]
Date Sun, 15 Jan 2012 17:31:33 GMT
True, but decisions can't be delegated to individuals,
only tasks.  Robert conveniently blurs the two.



----- Original Message -----
> From: Christian Grobmeier <grobmeier@gmail.com>
> To: general@incubator.apache.org; Joe Schaefer <joe_schaefer@yahoo.com>
> Cc: 
> Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 12:24 PM
> Subject: Re: Parking Projects [WAS Re: -1 on this months board report (was: Small but
otherwise happy podlings)]
> 
> On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 6:08 PM, Joe Schaefer <joe_schaefer@yahoo.com> 
> wrote:
>>>  From: Robert Burrell Donkin <robertburrelldonkin@gmail.com>
>>>  To: general@incubator.apache.org
>>>  Cc:
>>>  Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 12:01 PM
>>>  Subject: Re: Parking Projects [WAS Re: -1 on this months board report 
> (was: Small but otherwise happy podlings)]
>>> 
>>>  On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 4:48 PM, Joe Schaefer 
> <joe_schaefer@yahoo.com>
>>>  wrote:
>>>>   It is good that someone finally explained their opinion of
>>>>   a mentor's responsibility to the IPMC out in the open.  Let
>>>>   me disagree with you that mentors are not supposed to be put
>>>>   in the position of judging whether or not a podling is actually
>>>>   making progress or not.  If mentors don't do that, who does?
>>>>   The chair?  A super-committee?  Nobody?
>>> 
>>>  Last time I looked, the board charge the IPMC with this duty, not 
> Mentors
>> 
>>  Last time I looked, mentors were delegated this duty by the IPMC.
>>  If not, let's go ahead and do that just to add clarity.
> 
> Last time I looked, every Mentor is on the IPMC:
> http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Roles_and_Responsibilities.html#Mentor
> "All Mentors must be members of the Incubator PMC. "
> 
> 
> 
> 
>>> 
>>>>   While I certainly don't expect you as a mentor to "fix 
> all that
>>>>   is broken in the Incubator" single-handedly, I do expect you
>>>>   to care enough to try and "fix all that is broken" in 
> your
>>>  podling.
>>>>   It shouldn't take a board member's opinion for you to 
> critically
>>>>   review the reports of your podling and provide them with your own
>>>>   feedback on how they are doing.  That IMO is what you signed up
>>>>   to do as mentor.
>>> 
>>>  I have no legal training. I'm not CEO of Oracle. I don't have 
> the
>>>  US$100B that would be required to buy Oracle. I now have limited
>>>  computer access time. I am now incapable of driving public campaigns
>>>  to influence corporate behaviour.
>>> 
>>>  I admit that there are some things that I can fix. The JCP is just one 
> of them.
>> 
>>  There's always the realistic and humble approach of changing the things
>>  you can change instead of idly waiting for events beyond your control to
>>  transpire.
>> 
>>> 
>>>>   Why do we need these obscure notions to characterize a failed 
> incubation
>>>>   effort?  Can't we be adults and say it simply didn't work 
> out, no
>>>>   harm no foul, best of luck in your future endeavors elsewhere?
>>>>   I sure hope we aren't going to get into the business of 
> promising
>>>>   zombie projects a perpetual home in the incubator.
>>> 
>>>  Kato is stalled by external events over which the contributors and
>>>  Mentors have no control. Mark and freeze would at least inform anyone
>>>  who wants to terminate the podling to do so.
>>> 
>>>  Robert
>>> 
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