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From Joe Schaefer <joe_schae...@yahoo.com>
Subject Re: Parking Projects [WAS Re: -1 on this months board report (was: Small but otherwise happy podlings)]
Date Sun, 15 Jan 2012 17:25:37 GMT
Not everything that happens at the ASF revolves
around mistaken impressions about Jakarta's breakup,
sorry.



----- Original Message -----
> From: Robert Burrell Donkin <robertburrelldonkin@gmail.com>
> To: general@incubator.apache.org
> Cc: 
> Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 12:23 PM
> Subject: Re: Parking Projects [WAS Re: -1 on this months board report (was: Small but
otherwise happy podlings)]
> 
> On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 5:18 PM, Joe Schaefer <joe_schaefer@yahoo.com> 
> wrote:
>>  ----- Original Message -----
>> 
>>>  From: Robert Burrell Donkin <robertburrelldonkin@gmail.com>
>>>  To: general@incubator.apache.org
>>>  Cc:
>>>  Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 12:11 PM
>>>  Subject: Re: Parking Projects [WAS Re: -1 on this months board report 
> (was: Small but otherwise happy podlings)]
>>> 
>>>  On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 5:08 PM, Joe Schaefer 
> <joe_schaefer@yahoo.com>
>>>  wrote:
>>>>   ----- Original Message -----
>>>> 
>>>>>   From: Robert Burrell Donkin 
> <robertburrelldonkin@gmail.com>
>>>>>   To: general@incubator.apache.org
>>>>>   Cc:
>>>>>   Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 12:01 PM
>>>>>   Subject: Re: Parking Projects [WAS Re: -1 on this months board 
> report
>>>  (was: Small but otherwise happy podlings)]
>>>>> 
>>>>>   On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 4:48 PM, Joe Schaefer
>>>  <joe_schaefer@yahoo.com>
>>>>>   wrote:
>>>>>>    It is good that someone finally explained their opinion 
> of
>>>>>>    a mentor's responsibility to the IPMC out in the 
> open.  Let
>>>>>>    me disagree with you that mentors are not supposed to be 
> put
>>>>>>    in the position of judging whether or not a podling is 
> actually
>>>>>>    making progress or not.  If mentors don't do that, 
> who does?
>>>>>>    The chair?  A super-committee?  Nobody?
>>>>> 
>>>>>   Last time I looked, the board charge the IPMC with this duty, 
> not
>>>  Mentors
>>>> 
>>>>   Last time I looked, mentors were delegated this duty by the IPMC.
>>>>   If not, let's go ahead and do that just to add clarity.
>>> 
>>>  Project PMCs are not allowed to delegate oversight without board 
> permission
>> 
>>  There you go again Robert, making up rules about corporate governance
>>  that have no basis in reality.
> 
> This is why the Members asked the Board to break up Jakarta
> 
> Robert
> 
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