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From Joe Schaefer <joe_schae...@yahoo.com>
Subject Re: Parking Projects [WAS Re: -1 on this months board report (was: Small but otherwise happy podlings)]
Date Sun, 15 Jan 2012 17:18:32 GMT
----- Original Message -----

> From: Robert Burrell Donkin <robertburrelldonkin@gmail.com>
> To: general@incubator.apache.org
> Cc: 
> Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 12:11 PM
> Subject: Re: Parking Projects [WAS Re: -1 on this months board report (was: Small but
otherwise happy podlings)]
> 
> On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 5:08 PM, Joe Schaefer <joe_schaefer@yahoo.com> 
> wrote:
>>  ----- Original Message -----
>> 
>>>  From: Robert Burrell Donkin <robertburrelldonkin@gmail.com>
>>>  To: general@incubator.apache.org
>>>  Cc:
>>>  Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 12:01 PM
>>>  Subject: Re: Parking Projects [WAS Re: -1 on this months board report 
> (was: Small but otherwise happy podlings)]
>>> 
>>>  On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 4:48 PM, Joe Schaefer 
> <joe_schaefer@yahoo.com>
>>>  wrote:
>>>>   It is good that someone finally explained their opinion of
>>>>   a mentor's responsibility to the IPMC out in the open.  Let
>>>>   me disagree with you that mentors are not supposed to be put
>>>>   in the position of judging whether or not a podling is actually
>>>>   making progress or not.  If mentors don't do that, who does?
>>>>   The chair?  A super-committee?  Nobody?
>>> 
>>>  Last time I looked, the board charge the IPMC with this duty, not 
> Mentors
>> 
>>  Last time I looked, mentors were delegated this duty by the IPMC.
>>  If not, let's go ahead and do that just to add clarity.
> 
> Project PMCs are not allowed to delegate oversight without board permission

There you go again Robert, making up rules about corporate governance
that have no basis in reality.  It is certainly a-ok for the Incubator
to charge mentors with the primary responsibility of performing oversight
over their podlings- after all mentors are ON THE IPMC!

If we need to make a collective decision to terminate a podling, we can do
that, but ideally it's based on the advice and counsel of the mentors. Advice
that to this point has not been particularly forthcoming from the Kato mentors.

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