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From Joe Schaefer <joe_schae...@yahoo.com>
Subject Re: Parking Projects [WAS Re: -1 on this months board report (was: Small but otherwise happy podlings)]
Date Sun, 15 Jan 2012 17:03:45 GMT
I don't see why.  When you apply to a university you either
receive an acceptance letter or a letter of regret; we don't
have to make any other distinctions regarding our internal
reasons either.  Simply part ways amicably and help them
thru the exit door, no matter if they were chronic policy
violators or simply didn't muster a sufficient dev community.



----- Original Message -----
> From: Daniel Shahaf <d.s@daniel.shahaf.name>
> To: general@incubator.apache.org
> Cc: 
> Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 12:00 PM
> Subject: Re: Parking Projects [WAS Re: -1 on this months board report (was: Small but
otherwise happy podlings)]
> 
> Joe Schaefer wrote on Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 08:48:02 -0800:
>>  Why do we need these obscure notions to characterize a failed incubation
>>  effort?  Can't we be adults and say it simply didn't work out, no
>>  harm no foul, best of luck in your future endeavors elsewhere?
>>  I sure hope we aren't going to get into the business of promising
>>  zombie projects a perpetual home in the incubator.
>> 
> 
> For that to work we should be able to make a (public) distinction
> between projects that failed to graduate due to 'negative' reasons
> (say: having dev discussions off-list) and for 'non-positive' reasons
> (say: failed to maintain 3 active PMCers).
> 
> And clarify if/how projects that were leaved may ask to reenter.
> 
>> 
>>  ----- Original Message -----
>>  > From: Robert Burrell Donkin <robertburrelldonkin@gmail.com>
>>  > To: general@incubator.apache.org
>>  > Cc: 
>>  > Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 11:31 AM
>>  > Subject: Parking Projects [WAS Re: -1 on this months board report 
> (was: Small but otherwise happy podlings)]
>>  > 
>>  > On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 11:55 PM, Sam Ruby 
> <rubys@intertwingly.net> wrote:
>>  >>  On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 6:32 PM, Stuart Monteith 
> <stukato@stoo.me.uk> 
>>  > wrote:
>>  > 
>>  > <snip>
>>  > 
>>  >>>  I'll back up what Ant said - Robert and Ant have shown 
> heroic 
>>  > patience as mentors on this project. The situation will resolve itself 
> one way 
>>  > or the other soon.
>>  >> 
>>  >>  If the question is whether Robert and Ant are good guys, there is 
> no
>>  >>  question, they both have my vote on that question.
>>  > 
>>  > As a Kato mentor, I see my role as ensuring that the Foundation is
>>  > safe and that Kato is run the Apache Way, not fixing all that's 
> broken
>>  > in the Incubator.
>>  > 
>>  >>  If the question is whether or not a podling can essentially copy 
> and
>>  >>  paste the same report quarter after quarter, year after year, 
> with
>>  >>  little or no change, then I strongly object.
>>  > 
>>  > ATM Incubation works well only for main sequence projects. The IPMC
>>  > has collectively failed to account in its system for podlings that
>>  > encounter unusual issues that force them from the sequence.
>>  > 
>>  > IMO it is the responsibility of the IPMC to fix the system when it
>>  > breaks, not the Mentors of the podling. For month after month, Kato
>>  > has been flagged in the reports as stalled but no one in the IPMC
>>  > community thought to even discuss how to fix this before now.
>>  > 
>>  > (And now the IPMC seems to have brought only one club: terminate any
>>  > podling which leaves the main sequence...)
>>  > 
>>  > Kato is not the first podling to be stalled. It will not be the last.
>>  > A 'parked' status (freezing the podling but allowing an 
> efficient
>>  > restart) is IMO the right way to manage this.
>>  > 
>>  > Robert
>>  > 
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